Red and Black Erythristic Flame Female gave birth

[Jeff B]

I agree Ed, even if the pied doesn't prove out the het pieds I have, have a very bright high contrast pattern for normals and they are great feeders.

[BUSHSNAKE]

I know you aren't pointing any fingers. Fact is the whole piebald deal has a fishy smell and has since day one. When more and more babies just kept coming on the market and then a month later Joe is brokering them or whatever it started to really stink to high hell. That said I am still going the distance with it just as I did with the axanthic Chicago, and if it doesn't work at least I will sleep knowing made a go of it.
Any talk about diluting ery/flame lines is just hot air, you need to out cross anyway. It's funny how people criticize line breeding and say you should be outcrossing, and then when you outcross the same people say "oh you shouldn't be diluting". I think those people talk out both sides of there mouth all the time. Take another look at that one baby in this post, she will be as good as anything ever produced when she is an adult and you can mark my word on that I will show you a picture of her in 2 years. They are never born looking like their full potential. I have two more females still to go this year that will likely produce a few smoking ery/flames and possibly albino ery/flames and I am confident if they do they will grow up to be as nice as anything out there. Next year my melting hot ery/flame albino female will be two years old and if she produces there will be some good ones. The reality of the ery and flame genes is they don't all come out A++ ever regardless of the breeding and anyone that says they produce whole litters of great flames or erys is full of crap.

lol Jeff Bill had a problem with you and scott wanting them all so he sent some to me cuz I had friends interested in them

[Jeff B]

Joe, how many of those het pieds did you receive?

[BUSHSNAKE]

Joe, how many of those het pieds did you receive?

3.3, got rid of 2.1 and the rest died

[BUSHSNAKE]

Congrats but I still think it's kind of ridiculous that you guys keep talking like the piebald has been proven out, (can't be het if you don't even know it's recessive or inheritable for that matter) and keep breeding the descendents of that piebald, diluting your flames, erythristics, etc. with that which is most likely nothing but an ordinary eastern. Probably the most expensive ordinary eastern ever. I keep hearing "het piebald" and keep hearing about all the breeding they are doing but I have yet to see a piebald produced. IMO it's very likely one never will be so I'm having a hard time figuring out why you guys are breeding them to practically everything.

haha I totally agree Richard, heres an idea...people need to stop selling unproven hets then we wouldn't have to deal with all this speculation. Now theres an original idea. i realize bill would of not been able to do that. unfortunately the snake ended up in the wrong hands. the pied didn't prove out so stop calling them "het pied" cuz theres no such thing

[Jeff B]

haha I totally agree Richard, heres an idea... i realize bill would of not been able to do that. unfortunately the snake ended up in the wrong hands. the pied didn't prove out so stop calling them "het pied" cuz theres no such thing

That is so ironically hypocritical, Joe, you and Bill are the only ones who have actually sold "het pieds" that I know of, yet you say and I quote from you above "people need to stop selling unproven hets then we wouldn't have to deal with all this speculation. Now theres an original idea."

[snakeman]

If I thought they were legit I would've bought them in a second

[ConcinusMan]

haha I totally agree Richard, heres an idea...people need to stop selling unproven hets then we wouldn't have to deal with all this speculation. Now theres an original idea. i realize bill would of not been able to do that. unfortunately the snake ended up in the wrong hands. the pied didn't prove out so stop calling them "het pied" cuz theres no such thing

That is so ironically hypocritical, Joe, you and Bill are the only ones who have actually sold "het pieds" that I know of, yet you say and I quote from you above "people need to stop selling unproven hets then we wouldn't have to deal with all this speculation. Now theres an original idea."

[BUSHSNAKE]

That is so ironically hypocritical, Joe, you and Bill are the only ones who have actually sold "het pieds" that I know of, yet you say and I quote from you above "people need to stop selling unproven hets then we wouldn't have to deal with all this speculation. Now theres an original idea."

oh you got me