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    "First shed In Progress" SilasBannook's Avatar
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    Re: Wild caught morphs

    Guys,
    Thanks for that. I did a quick compare of that snake with my normal wandering and you are absolutely right. It has to be a vagrans. Now can you help me define what morph it is? I have been working to learn all the terms, anerythristic, axanthic, albino, melanistic, high red, etc. If I got babies that looked like mom here how do I properly describe her?

    Here is a close up side view of this morph and my normal which confirm your classification.

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    Re: Wild caught morphs

    That is one gorgeous snake! I'm not sure about the morph...could just be the coloring of that particular snake. Someone else will have to chime in on that.
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    Re: Wild caught morphs

    I think maybe it is a hypo morph, but I'm not sure.

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    Re: Wild caught morphs

    Hypomelanistic.

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    Re: Wild caught morphs

    I may be off here but it gives me the impression that the snake may be a paradox hypo (if that is even possible).It looks like a hypo that has been influenced by the normal phenotype. Anyone have any thoughts?
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    Re: Wild caught morphs

    Could just be a very light colored normal variant.

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    Re: Wild caught morphs

    awesome wandering garter. if there are blacknecks in Colorado they would be in the very south west corner as they are only found in the southeast part of Utah and on south from there

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    Re: Wild caught morphs

    I suppose hypomelanistic would be a good term for it. I do not believe it to be a light colored wandering garter as normals are an earth tone (see the two thumbnails in my last post). This has a vastly different color. There is no question this is lighter and is a blue-green color. I suspect I would need to mate it with an albino to have much of a chance at reproducing the color. Agreed?
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    Re: Wild caught morphs

    By breeding this to an albino you will get absolutely nothing but normal looking babies carrying the albino gene and possibly this gene. Assuming this gene is hypomelanism, it will likely be recessive. Therefore, the only way to get visual hypos would be to breed this animal to another hypo or an animal that is het hypo. Breeding this animal to a normal will produce a litter of babies that are het for the hypo gene, assuming that we are really dealing with a recessive morph here.
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    Re: Wild caught morphs

    I agree, and it is highly likely that is recessive.

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