Its oh so quiet Shh Shh

[guidofatherof5]

I've heard this saying so many times "There are no stupid questions"
Well, I think I've come up with one.

As I walked by the T.ordinoides (Northwestern Garter Snake) paddock I looked in and asked
"Anybody hungry?"

[Stefan-A]

Debas

Random copypasta from wikipedia with no actual explanation for how all this connects to the current situation. Don't take it personally if I don't consider it worth my time to respond.

Now, if you can't see that all these signs / symptoms of collapse are upon us, then I don't know what to say. For being such an intelligent person, you seem to be a little out of touch or isolated from what's going on in the world Stefan. I don't mean that as insult but you seem a little sheltered. Either that, or in denial or just don't care enough to even want to know so you don't pay any attention. I say this because if that were not the case, you wouldn't have asked me "what signs". To me they are glaring and obvious. You can't not notice unless you just never turn on the news.

Your problem is that you treat every little hypothesis as prophecy.

Also: Confirmation bias - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

[Mommy2many]

I've heard this saying so many times "There are no stupid questions"
Well, I think I've come up with one.

As I walked by the T.ordinoides (Northwestern Garter Snake) paddock I looked in and asked
"Anybody hungry?"

You tried, Steve. A valiant effort on your part...

[ConcinusMan]

Your problem is that you treat every little hypothesis as prophecy.

Nope. Just forget about hypothesis. Only look at what's not hypothesis and the largely predictable outcome is still the same. Doesn't take a genius to figure it out. If a train is doing 75kph headed straight for a brick wall, and you predict that it's going to crash, that is not prophecy. You abuse the word. Not that it matters all that much. You and I will both likely be dead before the worst of it happens. Perhaps it will happen gradually rather than suddenly. I understand your responses though. It's just easier to shut your eyes and say "this isn't happening". Most people do. It's in their nature.


Forget about prophecy. The things I said were never about prophecy in the first place. It was about what's actually happening. As in , now. not later. But everything is fine. Ignore this. The scientists are obviously a bunch of quacks. Apocalypse Soon: Has Civilization Passed the Environmental Point of No Return?: Scientific American

[Stefan-A]

I already told you once, you are treating it as prophecy. You're treating the opinions in that article as prophecy as well. Have you read any responses to the ideas put forth in it? And I don't mean comments on the article page.

[ConcinusMan]

Have you read any responses to the ideas put forth in it? And I don't mean comments on the article page.

If you don't mean the comments then I'm not sure I know what you're referring to.

[chris-uk]

If you don't mean the comments then I'm not sure I know what you're referring to.

From the "Appocolyse soon" article:
"In Limits to Growth, a bitterly disputed 1972 book that explicated these findings... "

[Invisible Snake]

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[guidofatherof5]

I'm at a loss to know what to say.

[ConcinusMan]

From the "Appocolyse soon" article:
"In Limits to Growth, a bitterly disputed 1972 book that explicated these findings... "

I seriously doubt that's what Stefan was talking about and if it is, you both missed the point entirely. I don't give a damn what that outdated book said or what was disputed. I don't care what the new book they talk about says either. Sorry I ever posted the link.

You want to debate what will or will not happen but you can't debate the data of what is happening or has happened already. Instead of talking about that you're just wearing me down with this "oh, look over there, a squirrel" crap.

"Whereas in 1972 humans were using 85 percent of the regenerative capacity of the biosphere to support economic activities such as growing food, producing goods and assimilating pollutants, the figure is now at 150 percent—and growing." There is also rapid global climate change and mass extinction happening. And if you know anything about the global economy you should also know that it requires a constant growth rate (which cannot be sustained) or it collapses like a pyramid scheme. Now ask yourself, what happens when it does collapse? We don't have to predict. We've already seen what happens.

Now dispute that. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure what happens when a population outgrows the environment's capacity to support it. Also isn't hard to figure out what happens to those at the top of the food chain when a mass extinction takes place. I honestly don't even know why there's even a debate about it. The conclusion is quite logical and you're all just in denial.

The things that hold together the thin facade of what we call civilization are deteriorating rapidly. It's a fragile thing. Doesn't take much to collapse it. You can debate it all you want but it doesn't change that. It's a fragile balancing act. If you doubt it could happen that's only natural but there are plenty of ruins around the world left over from long gone civilizations that debated and doubted too, all the way up until they were gone.