Wild caught morphs

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Thanks Guys! I can't wait to try and breed my albino to both of these girls next year.

[Mrs N1ntndo]

I want some like those. All I really ever see her are plains. Well what I call plains because I see just reg Easterns and 2 years ago was the last time I saw a Butler. I dont ever see any of the morphs or anything like that. There was a baby about 6-7 years ago that one of the garders had that I had at the time that was all tan with no designs or anything just tan. so Im assuming that woulda been a morph. If so what would that have been called? it came from an eastern mama. I wish at that time I was raising babies. I didnt know what to do then and I didnt wanna kill then so I would rather let the babies go instead of trying then. maybe someday I will come accrossed the same or something. I am still happy with what I have now though. All garters are the s#it. I love them.

[ConcinusMan]

Well it is hard to capture blue in a picture but she is not extreme blue she is more of a navy blue. I'm not sure what you would call her but she looks like a normal black and yellow eastern that someone painted navy blue over. Here is a pic of her and my long term captive.

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Ok I see. Ya I see that is is different. sorry for the confusion. But she/he is different from any of the other babies for sure though.

Heck, now I'm confused. The above picture looks to me like it's axanthic eastern (and yes, it's bluish) and the bottom one is not a FL blue (even if it is bluish)

There was a baby about 6-7 years ago that one of the garders had that I had at the time that was all tan with no designs or anything just tan. so Im assuming that woulda been a morph. If so what would that have been called?

You're likely assuming wrong. An eastern that simply has a solid base color instead of a patterned one does not make it a morph. I'd call it "a normal garter snake". Just like in spite of there being such a wide range of color and patterns in northwesterns, I wouldn't call any single one of them a "morph" since they are polymorphic. So are eastern garters, to a lesser degree.

[ConcinusMan]

I was searching for something completely different and found this:

Monty Python's..

No wait, I found this:

Scott Felzer's Garter Snakes, specializing in aberrant garters

I thought it looked familiar at the time when I posted this: http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/gart...tml#post179381

Now, as far as I know, "anerythristic" easterns never "existed" until Jeff Mohr found an eastern garter snake and someone declared it to be "anerythristic" based solely on the fact that it bares a resemblance to an anerythristic red sided. "Unfortunately to date we have yet to replicate her genetic trait" (see Scott's website link above). "In 2010 Flames het for Mohr anerythristic will be bred to flames het for Mohr anerythristic and also the normal Mohr hets".

First off, how do you know the trait is genetic (which I define as a predictably inheritable genotype, not to be confused with phenotype) if it is unproven? How do you know it's even anery? You don't. If this snake's phenotype is not expressed in her offspring,(which would provide at least some preliminary evidence for a dominant genetic trait) and it hasn't been proven recessive, then how can one then call them "Mohr (anerythristic) hets"? It would not only have to be proven but it would have to be proven recessive in order to have "hets". Then he says " If this project proves out, this will ultimately create a second snow strain." Things that make you go "Hmmmm..." Well if I buy one lottery ticket every 10 years, I just might ultimately win 5 million dollars. My odds might even be better than producing a new snow.

Then in 2008 along comes the west virginia "anerythristic" (remember, still also unproven) that has just a few similarities to the "mohr anerythristic". Having already had time to try and prove this one out too, and apparently failed to do so, he offers it to you at the bargain basement price of only $950. There's the marketing thing again. It's just that at times it seems like much of the marketing reminds me of a used car salesmen telling "it's not old, its a classic" or "It has a genuine simulated leather top" so they can convince someone to pay more than a car is really worth. Not exactly lies but just pay attention to the bold words. It's not safe at all to assume that they are true. They are true assumptions based on little to no evidence. Take those away, and if you still think that it's worth $950 on it's own merit, then buy the snake.

This isn't just about one snake. Just a reminder to "read the fine print" when you read about certain snakes for sale, separate the facts from assumptions and strip away the "dirt", then make a value judgement of your own.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Heck, now I'm confused. The above picture looks to me like it's axanthic eastern (and yes, it's bluish) and the bottom one is not a FL blue (even if it is bluish)




You're likely assuming wrong. An eastern that simply has a solid base color instead of a patterned one does not make it a morph. I'd call it "a normal garter snake". Just like in spite of there being such a wide range of color and patterns in northwesterns, I wouldn't call any single one of them a "morph" since they are polymorphic. So are eastern garters, to a lesser degree.

Richard neither of them are Fl blues the bottom pic is my newest eastern and the top pic is my LTC eastern. The bottom is bluish but looks way different from my axanthic/anery so i posted a pic of both to show the difference. Im not sure if the bottom one is just a dark normal or if she could be something new but i have never found another like her and i am so looking forward to breeding her to my albino Fl blue male.

[twostripes42]

this is my new red phase eastern (i think) shes really nice and really pretty IMO.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I JUST WANTED TO SHARE A PIC OF THIS BLUE BOX TURTLE I CAUGHT ABOUT TWO YEARS AGO. A FRIEND OF MINE HAS IT NOW IN A BREEDING PROGRAM WITH SOME NICE HYPO LOOKING FEMALES. I CAUGHT THIS TURTLE IN THE UPSTATE SC.

[EasternGirl]

Pretty!

[snake man]

I didn't know turtes could be blue

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I never knew it either until one day i was driving along and seen someone almost run over a turtle so i stopped to put it on the side of the road and it had a blue head and legs so i had to keep it. The thing is they are territorial and i didn't want something that rare to get ran over. I know most people probably think i kept it for the value but i pretty much gave it away. It's a good thing it's in a breeding program now.

i didn't know turtes could be blue