Other pets (pics and discussions)

[RedSidedSPR]

Thanks

[infernalis]

just took a couple of my pueblan..



CY the corn snake...

[guidofatherof5]

I know it sounds repetitive but great photos, Wayne.

[infernalis]

Thanks Steve, I still have a few critters to harass with my camera

[ConcinusMan]

Dang, if that's a Pueblan, it sure has wide red bands. The big girl I adopted last year traded away later to make room for concinnus had bands a bit different. If any were wider than the rest, they were the white bands. I'm not very sure yours is a pure pueblan to be honest. It's just not typical of any I've seen and milk snake breeders do have a habit of not keeping their lines pure to region.

Her name is Jewels and she was over 4 feet long, beautiful, and real PITA so I traded her for a 55 gallon long tank.

[infernalis]

Mine is called an "Apricot pueblan"

Lampropeltis triangulum campbelli

and is from an unusual bloodline. I like the coloring a lot.

I have another that looks more like yours did.

[ConcinusMan]

Umm... as far as I know, an apricot pueblan is just like a normal except the white bands are orange instead. That is not the case with the snake you are showing us, but that's definitely a pueblan. Quite possibly the "dirtiest" one I've ever seen! Very unusual indeed. The red bands have been bred out almost entirely. Have you seen the "Halloween" pueblans? It's an apricot (orange instead of white bands) and the red bands have bred almost entirely out. Amazing looking.




They've been bred from apricots which look like this:


I'll say it again Wayne, I just don't think that first one you showed is a pueblan. It was probably outcrossed to another type of mexican milk at some point in it's bloodlines.

[infernalis]

I picked up the big guy at a pet store for $40, he was already full grown when I got him.

The coloring on them seems as variable as garters.

[ConcinusMan]

Well, not quite. Even in the wild pueblans, you have a few apricots and the "dirtyness" varies a bit. Then you have CB snakes where they are breeding out the red bands but that's about it. It's the pattern of that first one that just doesn't quite fit to be a pueblan and sometimes that's the only difference between some of the various mexican subspecies. He looks closer to a annulata or celaenops. Pueblans are distinct in that generally speaking, the bands have very straight edges and the red bands aren't significantly wider than the rest of the colors. If anything, the red takes a back seat to the rest of the colors even in wild-type pueblans. See what I mean? this one is very distinctively pueblan no doubt:





Still, that's a beautiful milk and it's not really considered frowned upon (except by some "purists" out there) to cross similar milk subspecies like it would be if we were crossing T. sirtalis subspecies. Heck, people are crossing these mexican milk subspecies with kings and corns even. Here's an apricot pueblan X brooks king:



I'll bet your big dirty one is a retired breeder but they are usually selected to be cleaner rather than dirty but who knows, he might have produced very clean, low red offspring and he could be het for apricot which would be ideal for producing halloween pueblans.

[infernalis]

Thanks for all that info Richard.