Bob is at it again, and again, and again....

[bkhuff1s]

Taking all in one generation can devastate the species and have wider effects on the ecosystem. That's why I'm for a slow process. Same reason there are regulations on fishing, so the fish can replenish, for the next season.

[BUSHSNAKE]

i wonder how Bob Clark feels with all the people breeding retics? there are alot of people who feel the way you do...be an example to people, be a part of the solution not the problem, if you feel you cant breed something cuz you cant sell the offspring then move on, there are many wonderful herps that people dont consider

[bkhuff1s]

When I can't sell the offspring I won't move on I'll simply quit breeding, because I like these snakes, even this snippy ones.

[Stefan-A]

i cant believe my eyes when i saw some of the things written in this thread, checkered, red spotted, florida blues, valleys, wandering...all of em, even the parents or grandparent or great grandparents or great great grandparent that we breed entered the pet trade this way,

Yes, they did. But you're not arguing that we should keep doing it because it's a tradition, are you?

i could think of a few people on here that do the samething as "Bob".

I could, too. Over the years, there have been several of them.

Collecting for the pet trade isnt what threatens these animals, if your into conservation your barking up the wrong tree.

To my knowledge, this hasn't been studied in the US, but everywhere else in the world where this has been studied, collecting/harvesting is in fact one of the greatest threats to wild populations. Even if it weren't a major threat, collecting certainly does not help to conserve them.

i saw a guy openly selling baby snakes from a snake he openly says he collected himself in his own state and nobody said NOTHING...thats straight up illegal...duh

Did you? If not, why not?

[Stefan-A]

By the way, if you two were planning on going as far as insulting each other, perhaps by name-calling or insinuations, please take it there within the next 10 hours, because that's when I'll be online again, but only for a short while before going offline for 2-3 days and before I do, I'd like to see this line of discussion either neatly wrapped up without anyone losing face, or shut down.

[bkhuff1s]

We talked it out. It's good for member's joining to see this type of discussion going on so that they can form their opinions, and contribute, otherwise we've gone static, and that's never a good thing.