Shortheads in captivity?

[Starling96]

I agree :P

[ConcinusMan]

With regards to my snakes. When and to whom I release my snakes to is my business.

It is but why lie about it? I know, I know, you're not lying. It's not a lie if you believe the lie. I would have been much more impressed if you had just said "I don't want to" rather than tell me some bull... story.

You are the saint that people make you out to be. You're just as twisted and f'd up as anyone else. Why you pretend otherwise is beyond me.

[kibakiba]

There's no reason to be so rude. You seem to have a large stick up your hind end today. Whatever Steve wants to say, his reasons and motives are his. If you don't like that he says they aren't ready, does it really make that much of a difference than him saying he's not ready? No. They're words. It's like me saying... Oh, I don't know, "Snakey likes attention sometimes" when really he's seeking my warmth or he's curious. It's what I want to believe. If Steve believes his snakes aren't ready to go, you don't have to bring him down because of it. If he's anything like me, he considers his snakes to be family, and you cant just tear family apart. I like to pretend my snakes have emotions, it makes it feel more rewarding when I do things for them. I technically don't need to buy them sockeye salmon, but they seem to enjoy it and to me it seems to make them happy. They seem to appreciate my hand more. Considering they are my only physical friends, when people criticize me about that, it hurts.

I really doubt Steve is twisted of f'd up in any sense. He loves his snakes. There is nothing twisted about that. They aren't just some dumb breeding and eating machine that you keep for no reason.

[d_virginiana]

Wow.... Everyone has problems sure, but as long as an animal is well-cared for it doesn't matter to me how they view it, how many they have, or the excesses they go to for them.

I can sort of understand where Chantel is coming from.. I live in the middle of nowhere and have certain social issues (er, I'll just leave it at that) so my animals are a very important part of my life. My dog, Bear, that I've mentioned on this forum before is pretty much my constant companion when I'm not away doing research, and to hear anyone downplay her significance in my life makes me absolutely furious.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Woah, just noticed this.. I think what upset me most reading the original thread was that I was under the impression that someone was harvesting a known endangered species for the hell of it. But now that I know they weren't endangered at the time then I can't really fault him any more than I do someone who hunts or eats beef.
I mean, I don't *enjoy* seeing anything eat animals I like, but I can deal with people taking wild feeders for their pets if it's necessary and done in an environmentally responsible way.

At the time this thread was made, the shortheaded garter snake was already listed as protected with a possession limit as 0. Now maybe the photos were older, and happened before they became protected... I have no idea. But I do remember messaging him a very long time ago to ask if he knew they were a protected species in PA and the reply I got in a nutshell was "but they are really common where I live". I didn't really look into it any further and am not looking to now either.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Also, everyone needs to calm the heck down. There's no reason for the arguing going on in this thread that is entirely unrelated to shortheads. This thread is old, it needs to go back to beig dead like it was for the 2 or 3 previous years.

[guidofatherof5]

It is but why lie about it? I know, I know, you're not lying. It's not a lie if you believe the lie. I would have been much more impressed if you had just said "I don't want to" rather than tell me some bull... story.

You are the saint that people make you out to be. You're just as twisted and f'd up as anyone else. Why you pretend otherwise is beyond me.

You crossed the line Richard.
Not sure why you've decided to go on this personal attack but I find it to be very unprofessional and childish
I see that information shared with you in a PM really isn't private at all. Not that it matters as the reasons I gave you for not wanting to trade snakes at that time would have been the same reasons I would have given anyone.
I have no reason to lie and have never lied to you or anyone else on this forum.
You are right about one thing. I'm not a saint. I'm just a man trying to make it in this world by being helpful and kind to others. Why would you try to make that into something bad.
I think it would be best if I had no contact with you from this point on. I will not comment on your posts in any negative or positive way and will not use any innuendos referring to you in any of my posts.
If the powers to be deem it necessary I will also leave the forum.

[RicMartin]

WTF?
Steve, you are the best thing in this forum, don't even think of leaving.
Can someone just close this thread, and archive it, please.

[Stefan-A]

Done.