b1 deficiency

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

I have noticed the thiaminase affects babies and sub-adults more than adults.....I fed adult garters goldfish for years and never had a problem, but look out with the little ones...can be hard on them. I found out about catfish containing thiaminase the hard way. it takes a while for the it to start causing problems...

you're very right... and the thing is, kevin was using salmon, which does not even contain thiaminase... I really don't see thamine deficiency as the issue here.

[ssssnakeluvr]

I got some bad fish years ago.....snakes went into convulsions after about half an hour after eating.....but it was bad fish, from a crappy store, fish was spoiled. they have pretty tough digestive systems....I have seen photos of a plains garter eating a roadkilled toad and an eastern eating a roadkilled bird (have a copy of that photo). my het pied eastern didn't eat last week, fish dried out, pinkie rat leg dried out. she shed the n ext day and scarfed the dried food....not problems....guess she likes fish and rat jerky!!!

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

I got some bad fish years ago.....snakes went into convulsions after about half an hour after eating.....but it was bad fish, from a crappy store, fish was spoiled. they have pretty tough digestive systems....I have seen photos of a plains garter eating a roadkilled toad and an eastern eating a roadkilled bird (have a copy of that photo). my het pied eastern didn't eat last week, fish dried out, pinkie rat leg dried out. she shed the n ext day and scarfed the dried food....not problems....guess she likes fish and rat jerky!!!

LOL

I too have witnessed a garter snake attempting to scrape a carcass off the road. On reptastic I know there are some photo's somewhere of an eastern garter snake trying to eat a smooshed frog!

[ssssnakeluvr]

salmon is great for them....I just switched to salmon from tilapia....started noticing the twisting of some young garters... possibly got some spoiled fish... I was saving the rest of the filets for myself that night....I ended up chucking it out after the snakes had their convulsions....the amount I would have eaten would probably have killed me!

[drache]

ever since I lost Runty, I'm not sure about salmon either
I think it needs to be supplemented, because the freezing destroys some of the vitamins

[snakeman]

All together I lost 3 adult erythristics,3 adult flames,albino fl eastern,het albino fl eastern,het silver male.That was after a 3 month quarintine approx.Not long enough thats for sure.
I would think feeding anything from the ocean to your garters is risky.They dump a lot of crap in the ocean.Most of the fish contain mercury.Which screws up brain development.

[crzy_kevo]

i dont salmon was spoiled its been frozen the whole time and ive been using this package for about a 2 months never been thawed and the strips i cut off were fully thawed so that couldn't have caused it i think unless they ate too much i cant think of another reason for it