b1 deficiency

[crzy_kevo]

well my babies mainly turk seemed to be showing signs of b1 deficiency as i expected would eventually happen because of the main iet of fish i had been hoping that i would have had some pinkies to feed them before they started showing any signs of this but i went out yesterday and got a disgustingly expensive container of vitamin supplement cost me $22 after taxes but it was the only one of 2 available that had thiamin in it (the other one cost $8 + tax)

anyways the signs i was seeing is a couple times turk had decided to flip upside down and stiffin all his muscles making himself seem rigid and there was a little musk coming out of him as well and would some times try moving around upside down really wierd like the female did this once

anyways i gave them some food with the supplement today and added a little to the water hopefully this will fix the problems

[infernalis]

Fingers crossed for you Kevin.....

Damn, I hope they get better for you.

[crzy_kevo]

they should get better it first happened about a week ago


and they dont show signs that often like i said its only been twice for turk and once for squirt that i noticed this and last time i saw it was about 3 days ago

im not too worried but i am still keeping a close eye on them

and im still amazed at how much they have growni in the past month

[reptile3]

Sounds like you know what your doing Kevin, I hope they do well!!

[anji1971]

Good luck, Kevin. Hope they're all okay!

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

were you feeding them the bad kind of fish? thats really weird, because in my younger days when I knew no better... I fed even my baby garters parts of goldfish and they lived. grew, and went on for a considerable amount of time before they ever started to have any kinds of problems. When they did have problems.... it was not like that. They eventually jsut became malnourished looking and passed away suddenly. (keep in mind i was still a child and had no idea) How long were they eating fish for? I have customers say to me all the time after I tell them goldfish are bad that "oh that snakes been eating them for years hes fine"... I try to tell them its not fine but it's so hard to do so when just because their snake is still alive they think it's okay... and then they look at me like im an idiot when really I just care about their snake...I've had people make me blue in the face already!

how is it that your snakes are doing this after only a little while? Something is not right here

[ssssnakeluvr]

what kind of fish are you feeding....it doesn't show up fast... also, garters can grow up just fine on a diet of only fish....

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

what kind of fish are you feeding....it doesn't show up fast... also, garters can grow up just fine on a diet of only fish....

see that is what I was thinking also, don. I observed this kind of thing he is describing only twice. Once was when the snake mites had invaded me. The snakes would turn upside down and do what looked like convulsing, but was really just attepts to get the bugs off.

The other time was a few weeks ago when I walked into my snake room to hear violent thrashing. I narrowed it to my female similis's tub and pulled it out to find her convulsing, thrashing, seizuring, shaking... her mouth wide open and her tongue permanently stuck out and shaking... with no sign of recovering. after 15 minutes of trying to revive her from that state, I put her in the freezer. Two weeks later, my Iowa snow radix, my beloved girl who was a champion eater, refuses her pinkie and proceeds to die the following day. I did not get the chance to see if she convulsed or not, but I will say that the two snakes were kept separate and never had contact... and were not eating fish! Needless to say... my snakeroom is on serious lockdown right now. Maybe these two deaths were just a horrible coincidence... maybe the same thing killed them. I talked to scott felzer on the phone about it for a bit, he said he had never seen anyhing like that!

[jitami]

Yikes Shannon....sorry about your recent losses & prayers that you have no more!!!

Kevin, good luck with Turk and Squirt. Isn't it nice to have these "experts" at your fingertips when something like this comes up?

[crzy_kevo]

what kind of fish are you feeding....it doesn't show up fast... also, garters can grow up just fine on a diet of only fish....

i feed them salmon and before it got too cold out they were eating salmon and worms

i know it usually does take a while for them to show signs but what could explain them both doing this . either way giving them the vitramin supplement is still a good idea so still better to be safe than sorry right