Tips with San Fransico Garters

[adamanteus]

My San Frans were mating earlier this evening!

[Garter_Gertie]

Dekay, you got?

If so, put this addict you created on your list so you can supply my addiction...

GORGEOUS!

Thamnophis Infernalis (California Garter Snake) IS available to private collections within the USA and have almost the same markings that make the S.F. so attractive.

[ssssnakeluvr]

My San Frans were mating earlier this evening!

once again.....I need a smiley giving a raspberry!!!!!!!

[adamanteus]

once again.....I need a smiley giving a raspberry!!!!!!!

Like this?

[ssssnakeluvr]

well...thats more of a silly face with tongue out....but close enough!!!

[prattypus]

I like the CA reds too. I like the solid patches of red opposed to the patiels' red checkers.

I've heard that CA Reds and SanFrans can integrade in the wild- is the regular red sided range overlapping, making that a possibility?

[infernalis]

once again.....I need a smiley giving a raspberry!!!!!!!

Here is a good one...

Dekay, you got?

If so, put this addict you created on your list so you can supply my addiction...

GORGEOUS!

MK My Infernalis passed away after eating one of those bad fish. I will be starting over again in the spring.

[reptile3]

Here is a good one...





MK My Infernalis passed away after eating one of those bad fish. I will be starting over again in the spring.

I am sorry to hear about your snakie, but would love to have one of those that you get in the spring... MK, he is also supporting my habit too!!!

[Steven@HumboldtHerps]

Thamnophis Infernalis (California Garter Snake) IS available to private collections within the USA and have almost the same markings that make the S.F. so attractive.

Actually, that may be true for other states, but not California. California Dept. of Fish and Game limits 2 specimens of any one species of CA native Thamnophis for private collection (except of course for ssp. tetrataenia [endangered] and most garters in Southern California [severely threatened]). Breeding garters native to California is prohibited. Universities might get special permission for research purposes... The 2 specimen limit goes as far as including all subspecies within a particular species. So if you wanted an infernalis and a fitchi, that would put you at your limit for sirtalis.

My question is how captive-bred Easterns (sirtalis clade) make it to our California Petcos without having this apparent loophole b/n western and eastern subspecies addessed...

Steve

[prattypus]

Actually, that may be true for other states, but not California. California Dept. of Fish and Game limits 2 specimens of any one species of CA native Thamnophis for private collection (except of course for ssp. tetrataenia [endangered] and most garters in Southern California [severely threatened]). Breeding garters native to California is prohibited. Universities might get special permission for research purposes... The 2 specimen limit goes as far as including all subspecies within a particular species. So if you wanted an infernalis and a fitchi, that would put you at your limit for sirtalis.

My question is how captive-bred Easterns (sirtalis clade) make it to our California Petcos without having this apparent loophole b/n western and eastern subspecies addessed...

Steve

Some political lobbyist writes a fat check that allows such snake species, along with a high number of lovebirds and conures into the population...