A disturbing trend, really disturbing

[Snake lover 3-25]

wow........ idk what else to say........ speachless......

[GartersRock]

About what Shanley?

[bulrush]

I agree. The only pet some people should have is a pet rock.

I cringe when I see or hear about inexperienced people who have any animal, snake, fish, dog or cat, and they have no intention of learning how to do things right. I hear my neighbor abuse his dog sometimes, constantly yelling at him, because the dog won't do what the owner wants. That's because the owner is ignorant and did not train the dog properly.

When I got my first dog as an adult, we took her to dog training class, and the teacher taught US how to relate to the dog. We got excellent results once we knew how to relate to the dog, how to keep commands simple and consistent. And so, after working with our dog every day, we had a well-trained dog.

[infernalis]

Yeah, I can relate.

How many people would actively seek out a pregnant dog, just to have a puppy???

[jitami]

Oh, too many Wayne... have you ever heard about some of the dog auctions that the puppy millers host? It's enough to make you sick.

[KITKAT]

Well... I long ago posted on this thread, giving more details about the gravid girl that I had a year ago.

No one replied, because of the explosive comment from one member... then the thread has twice gone off topic...

oh well... <shrug>

[infernalis]

Well... I long ago posted on this thread, giving more details about the gravid girl that I had a year ago.

No one replied, because of the explosive comment from one member... then the thread has twice gone off topic...

oh well... <shrug>

Ask again Kitkat, I'll do my best

[KITKAT]

Ask again Kitkat, I'll do my best

Originally Posted by zooplan
Fair
but fairer if the offspring was fed twice or more times.
To take aberrant specimen could be worse, beacuse they might be the future of the population.
On the other hand are resessive alleles common within a genpool before they occur in phenotypes.
At this point we are back to the r and K-species, Stefan, but I can´t find the thread at the moment.
She is aberrant, but is like others in the area, so not the only one. AND, she would have been chopped to pieces with the neighbor's hoe if I had not rescued her, and would have met that end again if she returned to the site before the neighbor finished her pond.

Also, some of the babies ate right away, others took longer, and some were fed twice or more while I figured out which ones had the aberrant trait (develops with age).

At any rate, the purpose of my taking her was to save her life, and keep her out of harm's way until my neighbor finished replacing her pond liner. It just happened that she dropped her litter while that took place.

The four offspring, BTW, are my only WC garters. I don't normally take WC.

[bkhuff1s]

I'd just like to point out that there has to be a large enough CBB population available when the BUYERS want them. Mainly to people newer to this perticular species (I am no exception I clearly made the mistake). The amount of CBB garters and variety available to the market is CLEARLY underdeveloped (I'm going to work on that). The underdevelopment of that can only mean on thing. There hasn't been enough specimens taken from wild yes the WILD (that's where they all started at some point or another) to fufill societies 'want' for a given snake. For everyone that just cringes at the trend, I challenge you to purchase every WC of a choosen species that is underrepresented marketly to speciallize is the reproduction of, then match that price, which will drive down the desire to have these WC animals. For people such as BOB, he's only driving himself out of business. Eventually there'll be enough Puget's available in the market to where a CB breeder will match his prices. I'm sure this is going to get some...fun responses, but let me just say this. I have absolutely no problem releasing individuals out of each liter. I don't live near Puget territory though. However I wouldn't be beyond shipping them and having somone else release them, once I have colony that can handle BOBs activities. Just food for thought.

[infernalis]

Originally Posted by zooplan
Fair
but fairer if the offspring was fed twice or more times.
To take aberrant specimen could be worse, beacuse they might be the future of the population.
On the other hand are resessive alleles common within a genpool before they occur in phenotypes.
At this point we are back to the r and K-species, Stefan, but I can´t find the thread at the moment.
She is aberrant, but is like others in the area, so not the only one. AND, she would have been chopped to pieces with the neighbor's hoe if I had not rescued her, and would have met that end again if she returned to the site before the neighbor finished her pond.

Also, some of the babies ate right away, others took longer, and some were fed twice or more while I figured out which ones had the aberrant trait (develops with age).

At any rate, the purpose of my taking her was to save her life, and keep her out of harm's way until my neighbor finished replacing her pond liner. It just happened that she dropped her litter while that took place.

The four offspring, BTW, are my only WC garters. I don't normally take WC.

As I try to sort through this, I guess you are wondering if what you did was a good thing or not?

Kitkat, what you did deserves a medal. You saved that snake from certain doom, as well as saved the babies from the same fate.

That is far removed from someone just going out and targeting a gravid female to be collected for any reason

That would be a sucessful rescue in anyones eyes........

Well done, kudos to you and if similar circumstances should ever arise, DO IT AGAIN!!