Possible WC hypo

[ssssnakeluvr]

me??? showing off???? just adding 2 cents.... that's a Nebraska albino....she came from Nebraska...has more straw coloring than the other plains albino genes..... if I was gonna show off, I would have added my "christmas" albino plains....an Iowa albino with orange....

[jitami]

I love the Nebraska girl, Don... she'd go so well with my decor <gg> Really, good stuff. Pictures make the lesson all the more interesting!

[Bill]

That sure is a nice looking snake Don.

[Bill]

Yes they are Albinos. A very dark phase.
There are many phases of Albinos in Garters. You can check out these sites:
Scott Felzer's Garter Snakes, specializing in aberrant garters
Alan's Garter Snakes - My Collection

I personally believe yours to be a "Caramel Albino Eastern".
What do you plan to do with him?

Thanks for the links. After takeing another good look at this snake in the sun light I can see that the eye color is red and I now believe this is a albino. Thanks for the all the help! As to what I will do with him or her, I am trying to capture some other snakes from this population and see if I can't get it to breed true.

[Bill]

Whoa, this thread really took off!!
Hello, Bill, and welcome!
That is a beautiful snake, whatever the 'label' turns out to be!

Thank you for your gracious welcome. I'm sorry it came so late!

[adamanteus]

Yes they are Albinos. A very dark phase.
There are many phases of Albinos in Garters. You can check out these sites:
Scott Felzer's Garter Snakes, specializing in aberrant garters
Alan's Garter Snakes - My Collection

I wonder if they make an all black albino, I could cross it with my melanistic and create a completely invisible snake!

[GartersRock]

So... We have come to the conclusion that in the snake world... We are using incorrect terms? So this became a discussion not over what type of snake Bill has but genetic terms.
So I agree with:
a: amelanistic = Lacking black
b: anerythristic = Lacking red
c: axanthistic = lacking yellow
d: melanistic = (all solid black) black covers other colors
e: erythristic= red covers other colors
snow= combination of a and b
blizzard= combination of a, b and c (real albino)
Udo's list!
So where would Leucistic fall in? Blizzard?
And inbetween these we would have:
Hypomelanistic = Decreased melanin (black)
Hypermelanistic = Increased melanin
Am I correct? Trying to figure this out. lol!!

So... Assuming that I was calling Bill's snake an albino, meaning amelanistic (which, unforutunatly in the snake world we call this "albino"). Would we agree that his snake is amelanistic? He has red eyes...

It irks me to realize that we, the snake world as a whole have been using incorrect terms this whole time...
Blah!

I LOVE discussions on genetics!! So fun!

[GartersRock]

Hey James! Don't blame me for being confused because the so called "professionals" in the snake world mixed it all up! It's not my fault. I think I get it now. I meant amelanistic. Happy?

[GartersRock]

Oooo! So this would mean that even the ALBINO BALL PYTHON. Really 'aint no albino at all! But amelanistic! Wow.

[adamanteus]

Hey James! Don't blame me for being confused because the so called "professionals" in the snake world mixed it all up! It's not my fault. I think I get it now. I meant amelanistic. Happy?

I guess there two 'snake worlds'... the multi-coloured candy-cane, strawberry shortcake world of the 'fancy' snake breeders, and the dusty, fusty, dry, factual world of pure science.
Where do we and Thamnophis.com fit in? Somewhere between the two, I suppose.