Found a Garter with a Broken Back, Perhaps? Help...

[KITKAT]

NO my friend Kyle known to you as Zephyr told me euthinizing a snake in a freezer is a slow and painful death.

I have experimented with this. A pre-refridgerated garter, 10 inches long, took ten minutes to die in the freezer.

But I still think the freezer is humane, because the snake is basically asleep from the refridgeration.

[infernalis]

10 minutes is an eternity, 1/10th of a second is better.

If you were a soldier on a battlefield, and just stepped on a land mine, completely removing everything from your mid point down, knowing that it is medically impossible to live without....

I would want my friend to place his rifle to my head, rather than bring me in and set me in the fridge.

Wayne

[jitami]

Unfortunately it works even worse on snakes, than on newborn mice.

What would your recommendation be for both(mice & snakes) Stefan? I've thought about raising feeder mice and always planned on using CO2... so it doesn't work so well on newborns? Does it just take longer, or is there some stress to the mice involved?

[Zephyr]

Well, really, any way you look at it there still getting killed. :P

[Stefan-A]

What would your recommendation be for both(mice & snakes) Stefan? I've thought about raising feeder mice and always planned on using CO2... so it doesn't work so well on newborns? Does it just take longer, or is there some stress to the mice involved?

Snakes: stunning blow to the back of the head, decapitation and destruction of the brain. Or have a vet inject the substances you can't own. Why? Because freezing causes discomfort and decapitation alone doesn't kill the snake right away.

Newborn mice (a few days old, max): freezer. Why? They supposedly die before ice crystals begin to form. According to what I've heard, they completely shut down in less than a minute. CO2 doesn't kill them right away, they'll hold their breath and can do so for quite some time. Alternatively snap the neck.

Less than 10 days of age, but not quite newborn anymore: Snap the neck. Won't shut down as easily in the freezer and they still have that damn reflex.

Mice older than that should be killed with CO2.

Note that I haven't actually tested most of these methods for legal reasons, so this is just a collection of recommendations I've picked up over the years. People use other methods as well, including throwing mice against the wall or floor or swinging them by the tail against some hard surface. No doubt those methods will get the job done, but at this point, I wouldn't recommend or use them. One method that is pretty quick, judging by what I've seen, is putting the mouse on a hard surface, grabbing the mouse by the tail, putting a screwdriver, pencil or tweezers across the neck, push it down against the surface while you simultaneously pull it upwards at an angle.

Local animal protection legislation only permits lethal injection, gassing with an appropriate gas (one that causes instant loss of consciousness), electrocution (depending on whether the animal is considered a production animal or a pet), shooting in the brains, and if the animal is less than 3 days of age, striking it on the head. I recommend following your local laws.

[infernalis]

I have experimented with this. A pre-refrigerated garter, 10 inches long, took ten minutes to die in the freezer.

But I still think the freezer is humane, because the snake is basically asleep from the refrigeration.

Try this, Place your garter in a container, set it in your refrigerator for half an hour, take it out and PLEASE tell me just how much asleep you think it is.

Metabolism slows, that is a scientific fact, but brain function and alert levels are still very much awake. Breeders always keep a fresh supply of drinking water during forced brumation, the "sleeping" snakes will drink from it.

Thanks Stefan for agreeing.

The mice thing is a another subject itself. If folks are going to have a hard time raising live prey, and then killing it, frozen dead rodents become very attractive. (And cheaper in the end)

Wayne

[jitami]

Thanks Stefan & Wayne. I wouldn't have any major problems with most of the methods for either snakes or mice, but would like to cause the least amount of trauma to the animal as possible if I decide to raise feeder mice or if I need to put down a snake quickly due to injuries, etc. Thanks again.

[Spiritwolf]

I believe in giving an animal a fair chance. I would put the snake in a tank or box with good lid with a soft surface for the snake to lay on, and put a heating pad on low under one end of the tank/box so the snake could warm up. Provide water, and wait and see what happens the next couple of days.

I've seen animals recover from things that I didn't expect them to pull out of, enough that unless something is obviously mortally wounded, dying or suffering with an incurable illness, or born with a defect that dooms it to die a slow death, I would give it a chance.