Creamsicle Corn Snake

[Stefan-A]

I think it was changed some time between 2004 and 2006. They chopped up Elaphe, since all the rat snakes of the world didn't belong to the same genus. I've heard a rumor that there are plans to get rid of Pantherophis as well and move most of the North American rat snakes to Pituophis.

http://www.cnah.org/pdf_files/687.pdf

we suggest that all species in the clade formed by the MRCA
of Pantherophis guttatus to Pituophis melanoleucus (node
C2, Fig. 4) be designated as Pituophis.

edit: it was in 2005.

edit 2: better not repeat rumors. Deleted it.

edit 3: what the hell, I'll put it back.

[Zephyr]

I think it was changed some time between 2004 and 2006. They chopped up Elaphe, since all the rat snakes of the world didn't belong to the same genus. I've heard a rumor that there are plans to get rid of Pantherophis as well and move most of the North American rat snakes to Pituophis.

edit: it was in 2005.

Well if you average 2004 and 2006... :P
Next thing you know they'll find some little gene and push them all back together again. XD

[Stefan-A]

Well if you average 2004 and 2006... :P

I think I may be wrong, maybe it was in 2002. Or did they split up Elaphe in 2002 and Pantherophis guttatus in 2005..?

Not sure when. But they did.

[Zephyr]

Wait, now I'm confused. It's still Elaphe for north american rat snakes, right?

[Stefan-A]

Nope. They're Pantherophis now. Most European and Asian Elaphe got reclassified as well.

Anyway, Elaphe guttata had two subspecies and got reclassified, so that it became Pantherophis guttatus with two subspecies (P. g. guttatus and P. g. emoryi). Then they split Pantherophis guttatus, so that it no longer has any subspecies and in the process they got two new species in addition to the corn snake, namely Emory's rat snake (=Great Plains rat snake) and Slowinski's corn snake.

[beaniesmommy]

I am a total beginner... But, I read your article on mixing species and I respect and mostly agree with it. I wouldn't have chosen to get a "wierd ***" snake if it wasn't in this cage the size of my three year olds shoe boxes for three (probably more) months. So, I would expect that you wouldn't talk too much about my really kind "mixed breed" which has an even weirder name that the petstore called a "candy cane" (I mis-named it as creamsicle) cornstake... See you you can follow where that type of snake comes from...

I will get some more garter snakes and maybe some other miscellaneous neglected creatures, because really it all comes down to what is right there in front of your eyes seeking a warm place to live.

[andyoconnor83]

The Pantherophis into Pituophis move has all but been dismissed. No paper to support that claim as I can't find it, but the guys that wrote that paper have been slandered repeatedly for their lack of evidence for that proposal.

in the case of the corn snake she purchased, it may or may not be a pure P. guttatus, and unless the pet store were to say which breeder they got it from, we'll never know. As mentioned, if it were a creamsicle, it's an amelenistic hyrbidized with P. emoryi, but if it's a candycane, which it looks like it to me, then it's just a high white amel, basically it's the amelenistic version of a miami phase corn...

[Loren]

I think your corn is all corn as far as I understand. I think ghost corns have some outside(ratsnake) influence possibly.
As for the name changing- I think it comes down to some people just really wanting their name published on a study- so they keep finding unimportant reasons to reclassify things.

[Zephyr]

Actually, now that I've seen the pics, I think it's either a creamsicle corn or a very orange amel, like my boy.

[drache]

i'm a bit worried that soon we'll be having garter hybrids with weird food names too
and notice how it's usually fruit and candy names - sweet stuff?
never any real food - like the cheese taco corn, or the turkey club king