shoot...

[Snake lover 3-25]

LOL well they were mean to some of you guys......... not me.......... but who cares!!!!!! GAME ON!!!!!! rofl

[Zephyr]

We would own them at table tennis.

[Snake lover 3-25]

R U kidding i SUCK at that game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL but then again they could be worse..........

[Loren]

Well, I dont know where we are at on this whole situation since this thread is so long, but I think 2 large group pens- one males, and one females, would look pretty neat.
Just a pain to feed them all together.
I have put reptiles down by freezing, but I always start with the fridge- let them get nice and sleepy first, then put them in the freezer. Just my opinion.
Unfortunately, after all this debating, the rest of the snake breeding community is probably just a year or two away from flooding the market with every garter hybrid imaginable, along with the rest of the hybrids.

[brigitte]

Hi guys. I have a question. I'm new to this experience with garters. I wanted to know why you're not supposed to breed different garters together. Someone please tell me.

[Lumpy]

Hi Brigitte, and welcome to the forum!

You have chosen an interesting first topic!

Your question is a valid one, and although I don't have a hard and fast answer for you, perhaps I can point you in the direction of some summary information that can shed light on interbreeding. The summary relates to a larger body of work, but gives you a feel for what some of the challenges and responsibilities are for us mere mortals. It's not a long read, and it's not technical, which is good. Even I can understand the larger issues!

http://www.ogtr.gov.au/pdf/committee...Transfer08.pdf

I am new to the reptilian world, and have not bred Garters, although I do have some background with breeding exotic birds. The same issues exist with the avian world as I imagine do with the breeding of any naturally occuring animal.

Opinions about ethical, religous and social repsonsibilities are varied and all have merit. So keeping an open mind is important!

Lump

[adamanteus]

LOL well they were mean to some of you guys......... not me.......... but who cares!!!!!! GAME ON!!!!!! rofl

I don't think we need to start a forum war, Shanley. Most of the responses were quite sensible and balanced over on RFUK. There just seems to be a husband and wife team who became outraged by this thread, and were taking it in turns to talk to each other about it on the computer, and keeping the topic going.


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.. these americans and a couple of europeans.. not from the uk.. are hell bent on this method of disposing of these so called unwanted, sub species snakes as they call them.. i think that it should be illegal. i wish somebody would stick them in a freezer and let them see what it feels like.. sick bd's. i would home any snake that any of mine gave birth to even if it was not of a pure bloodline etc.. they make me soo mad.. its no different to the fanatical views of lets say the nazi's and the aryan race.. just with snakes not people!

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Yesterday, 10:45 PM

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sadly hunnie there is a handful on that site that are from the UK, but it seems that only one of the brits is in favour of freezing them.

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Yesterday, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Pliskens_Chains

sadly hunnie there is a handful on that site that are from the UK, but it seems that only one of the brits is in favour of freezing them.

well damn me.. thats discraceful.. they should all be ashamed of themselves.. saying they love snakes etc etc..

btw hunnie.. you know im gonna be on about this for the rest of the nite in bed.. i mite even talk b*******s about it in my sleep.. lmao...

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Yesterday, 10:53 PM

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yep i agree

theres a lot of people that have offered to rehome these hybrids and the problem is that they are getting told how immoral it is to allow the snakes to live....WTF!! isnt it immoral to kill them off, they are healthy, attractive no deformities, theres even a chance that these natural intergrades can and may have happened in the wild as there species borders cross each other

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[Odie]

Hi, from Oregon, Brigitte

[Odie]

Tina, I would like 2 of them
They would be a new part of the family

[Stefan-A]

Stefan
you're making this sound like something from the dark side
I understand that there is a desire on the part of some reptile owners to have the same sort of status, the owner of a fine thoroughbred anything has
since we're at the moment addressing that, rather than conservation issues, perhaps the simplest solution would be, to have pedigree papers and certifying bodies, just like equestrian organizations and kennel clubs, for those who need them, and the average joe can keep all the mutts they want

Never cared so much for pedigree, but I could never buy a fake or a cheap imitation.

I wonder if there's a TLA for that..