oh do guess

[drache]

I'll try that, thanks

[drache]

Itried it both ways and it didn't work
I also don't want to stress her right nowand she dislikes this procedure
my vet would probably tell me not to woory about it and to just make sure it does come off with the next shed

she's 176.7g now
wow - that's quite a weight gain

[osubeaver22]

I say 18 babies.

[GartersRock]

Heck. 20!
=)

[drache]

ha! whew!
I don't have to worry about the retained brille at all, because it's not what it is, which is why it's taken me this long to see it
she's going into shed again and the left eye for some reason got cloudy sooner than her right, but they're both blue now
given that she just shed a couple of weeks ago, I'm feeling a sense of anticipation now . . .

[Stefan-A]

Good news. Then again, one failed shed can lead to a second shed starting sooner than usual.

[drache]

because of her scar, I usually have to wet bag her and help her with the shed around the neck and head area
I check her over pretty well, which why I was surprised to have missed a retained brille
I'm pretty sure now that this is just a normal shed by a gravid snake who has gained 25g or more since her last shed

[Zephyr]

because of her scar, I usually have to wet bag her and help her with the shed around the neck and head area
I check her over pretty well, which why I was surprised to have missed a retained brille
I'm pretty sure now that this is just a normal shed by a gravid snake who has gained 25g or more since her last shed

Ooh! I have an idea!
Ya know how with the elements they have an average atomic mass?
Maybe we should correlate some sort of average snake mass? (ASM lol)
Seeing as she's an eastern, you could weigh a few of her newborn babies when she has them, and we could get others from the forum and the garter community to weigh their easterns, or other species, so we could help calculate how many baby snakes are in a gravid female. Late in development, of course, but it would be a lot less stressful on the snake than feeling for babies.

[Snake lover 3-25]

:eek!!!!!!! that is DEF. the best idea EVER!!!!!!!!!! i'll do the same w/ Sooty!!!!

[Stefan-A]

More than just babies come out of a snake when it gives birth.