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    Juvenile snake Lumpy's Avatar
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    Re: Question on genetics

    Good enough. My question really stems from any future aquisition of Garters, particularly the Puget Sound. Very pretty!

    So, if I were to get one, I wondered if they could be housed together with my Eastern or individually.

    Thanks for the info!

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    Re: Question on genetics

    Quote Originally Posted by Lumpy View Post
    Good enough. My question really stems from any future aquisition of Garters, particularly the Puget Sound. Very pretty!

    So, if I were to get one, I wondered if they could be housed together with my Eastern or individually.

    Thanks for the info!

    Lump
    Females generally don't cause problems; it's the males. You could always get a species of the same sex... Or get 1.1 of one species and 1.1 of another.
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    Re: Question on genetics

    I've been meaning to ask, what does that mean 1.1 or whatever numbers I'm seeing?

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    Re: Question on genetics

    Quote Originally Posted by Lumpy View Post
    I've been meaning to ask, what does that mean 1.1 or whatever numbers I'm seeing?

    Lump
    One male, one female.

    1.2.3 would mean "1 male, 2 females and 3 of unknown sex".

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    Re: Question on genetics

    Quote Originally Posted by Zephyr View Post
    Females generally don't cause problems; it's the males. You could always get a species of the same sex... Or get 1.1 of one species and 1.1 of another.
    Or, even better yet, house the females and males of each species separately. :P
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    Re: Question on genetics

    Hello,

    In this case, I believe there is no hybridization to fear since the Puget Sound (T. sirtalis pickeringii) and the Eastern (T. sirtalis sirtalis) are still the same species. I agree against giving them the opportunity to cross, especially if you are not dealing with simple recessive genetics. Subspecies characteristics usually deal with polygenic traits (I call 'em "blenders"). Blending or intergrading the two will alter the purity of both lines.

    I intend to create actual hybrids between one and 2 other local species - pending approval from our local university and fish and game (still a ways away...) for research purposes only. Hybridization is suspected here in NW California. Proving that it occurs in the wild might explain many mysteries regarding the ancestral lineages of these snakes. Other than actually reading the DNA, breeding at least a couple of generations would be the only other way to determine actuality and thereafter the stats on fertility vs. sterility in proposed hybrids.

    That's my take... Thanks for letting me ramble,

    Steve

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