Scale count

[Cazador]

Wow! Yours are different than mine. Mine have 17 scale rows. Your vertebral stripe looks much thinner than mine, too... barely a full scale width. I bet we're dealing with two different species, if not hybrids. How far from the head or vent did you do this scale count, Kitkat?
Rick

[KITKAT]

Wow! Yours are different than mine. Mine have 17 scale rows. Your vertebral stripe looks much thinner than mine, too... barely a full scale width. I bet we're dealing with two different species, if not hybrids. How far from the head or vent did you do this scale count, Kitkat?
Rick

I took my count about mid-body. But here's the thing... my biggest snake has 19 rows if I count those weird hexagonal scales... but I think my smaller one has 17. The photos did not turn out, so I will try taking them again and post them when I do.

The dorsal stripe on both snakes is one scale wide.

The head of the snake with 19 rows is longer and more pointed... the head of the snake that I think has 17 is more rounded.

Can you give me a guess on sex from the one photo where I asked that? I suspect I have one ordinoides and one intergrade, but I'm not sure yet.