Whats cooking?

[Jeff B]

Very nice Julio, looks like you have a little bit of everything cooking this spring.

Next breeding season will be a busy one of alot of us...
Garters that im planing on breeding
1, Eastern blacknecks
2, Blue axanthic plains
3, Black and white axanthic plains
4, Albino plains T+/ T-
5, Anerythristic plains
6, Red albino plains
7, Snow plains
8, Blizzard plains
9, pearl plains
10, Santa cruz one stripe
11, Albino checkereds
12, Granite checkerds
13, Hypo/pastel checkereds
14, Albino Granite
15, Albino Kansas red side
16, Albino eastern
17, Erythristic eastern
18, Flame eastern
19,Crimson Erythristic eastern
20, California red side
21, Black and white axanthic wanderings
22, Oregon red spotted
23, Melanistic eastern

*Some mexican species
1, Thamnophis eques virgatenuis
2, Thamnophis eques obscurus albinos
3, Thamnophis eques obscurus
4, Thamnophis eques patzcuaroensis
5, Thamnophis eques cuitzeoensis
5,Thamnophis melanogaster canescens melanistics

[Jeff B]

Awesome project Eddie, that "anery" snake is awesome looking. So they all start off looking normal or are some a little darker and then they progressively get darker? Maybe hypermelanistic would be better naming, but not trying to start a debate.

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I hope I did this right. This pick is an Anery eastern 100% het for Kentucky albino. It turns out that this gene is partially co-Dom. I say that meaning that the the mother was Kentucky albino and the father was Anery. I got the Anery from Shawn and he told me some of the babies would turn anery. Well despite my disbelief he was right!! About half of the babies turned Anery. Joe, if you read this I use the term “Anery” lightly because I know it’s not entirely correct but it works in the garter world. Lol. Anyway i hope that this may lead to pure white snow easterns at some point because the Kentucky albino is T- albino. I have some adults from the original breeding so i should get Kentucky albinos, het albinos, het anery’s and hopefully a clean white snow or two’

[BUSHSNAKE]

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I hope I did this right. This pick is an Anery eastern 100% het for Kentucky albino. It turns out that this gene is partially co-Dom. I say that meaning that the the mother was Kentucky albino and the father was Anery. I got the Anery from Shawn and he told me some of the babies would turn anery. Well despite my disbelief he was right!! About half of the babies turned Anery. Joe, if you read this I use the term “Anery” lightly because I know it’s not entirely correct but it works in the garter world. Lol. Anyway i hope that this may lead to pure white snow easterns at some point because the Kentucky albino is T- albino. I have some adults from the original breeding so i should get Kentucky albinos, het albinos, het anery’s and hopefully a clean white snow or two’

That anery, i mean melanistic lol, looks alot like the chicago i found. I believe there is a boa morph that starts off looking normal and gradually turns black too.

[BUSHSNAKE]

Awesome project Eddie, that "anery" snake is awesome looking. So they all start off looking normal or are some a little darker and then they progressively get darker? Maybe hypermelanistic would be better naming, but not trying to start a debate.

Have you finally come around Jeff, took long enough maybe i should get back into garters so we could talk morphs again lol

[BLUESIRTALIS]

20170607_211241.jpgDisbelief? What! I speak the truth and nothing but the truth, lol! Nice looking snake Ed! I would also like to add that this lineage is from the West Virginia Anery that Scott had so it's completely unrelated to mine from Pickens County SC. I bred mine to a Florida Albino and then bred an Anery male 100% het Fl albino x 100% het Fl albino and had a litter of 2 albino and 7 66% hets, but no snows as of yet. My thinking is if the Anery/hypermel/ what ever you want to call them are codom and color up over time like the erythristics then I don't know if we can make a snow with them. I still want to breed Anery to Anery and see if there is a super form or something! One of the albinos was very light in color.

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I hope I did this right. This pick is an Anery eastern 100% het for Kentucky albino. It turns out that this gene is partially co-Dom. I say that meaning that the the mother was Kentucky albino and the father was Anery. I got the Anery from Shawn and he told me some of the babies would turn anery. Well despite my disbelief he was right!! About half of the babies turned Anery. Joe, if you read this I use the term “Anery” lightly because I know it’s not entirely correct but it works in the garter world. Lol. Anyway i hope that this may lead to pure white snow easterns at some point because the Kentucky albino is T- albino. I have some adults from the original breeding so i should get Kentucky albinos, het albinos, het anery’s and hopefully a clean white snow or two’

[BUSHSNAKE]

20170607_211241.jpgDisbelief? What! I speak the truth and nothing but the truth, lol! Nice looking snake Ed! I would also like to add that this lineage is from the West Virginia Anery that Scott had so it's completely unrelated to mine from Pickens County SC. I bred mine to a Florida Albino and then bred an Anery male 100% het Fl albino x 100% het Fl albino and had a litter of 2 albino and 7 66% hets, but no snows as of yet. My thinking is if the Anery/hypermel/ what ever you want to call them are codom and color up over time like the erythristics then I don't know if we can make a snow with them. I still want to breed Anery to Anery and see if there is a super form or something! One of the albinos was very light in color.

You may not be able to make a snow but maybe a vanishing pattern amel perhaps?

[Eddie]

Thanks guys!! The litter pretty much all looked similar at birth. I held back the whole litter and about half of them started to get dark after the first year. Now after 2 years the difference is unbelievable!! The father of the litter was very dark and was also poss het Schuett snow. I think he must of actually been het because last spring a very dark baby was born from one of the het females. The snake was just about like what most of us consider a melanistic at birth. To me it showed signs of pattern but I think I was just being optimistic. Jeff thought it was a Mel right off the bat. I think he was right. It did not survive for me to verify over time. Hopefully I can produce a bunch this year and get a real handle on the potential. I will keep you all posted!!

[BLUESIRTALIS]

That's what I'm hoping for! I have the 2 amels so we shall see how they color up.

You may not be able to make a snow but maybe a vanishing pattern amel perhaps?

[Eddie]

It's very possible to get a vanishing pattern amel from these guys!!

[Zdravko092368]

I put 2.3 Infernalis in the fridge now as welll... super exciting I know, nobody breeds them lol.