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    Re: New Black and White Eastern Garter Morph Found!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Very true Joe.
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    Re: New Black and White Eastern Garter Morph Found!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Very true Joe, glad i'm not working with any tortoise morph breedings. My diamondback terrapins are going on 6 years and just laid a few eggs in the water this year, typical, maybe next year I will finally get some eggs hatched. Not sure people value time spent on morphs or creating combos, nobody bought any project stuff this year, everyone wants the bright pretty neon blue california red-sided. People only value what they like.
    Thanks Ed

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    Re: New Black and White Eastern Garter Morph Found!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff B View Post
    Very true Joe, glad i'm not working with any tortoise morph breedings. My diamondback terrapins are going on 6 years and just laid a few eggs in the water this year, typical, maybe next year I will finally get some eggs hatched. Not sure people value time spent on morphs or creating combos, nobody bought any project stuff this year, everyone wants the bright pretty neon blue california red-sided. People only value what they like.
    Thanks Ed
    you know im finding out its the same with corns, I got some great projects, some creating first time morph combos, and people just want the end product lol

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    Re: New Black and White Eastern Garter Morph Found!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Yeah it could have 10 genes but if its ugly you get $10, but if one gene makes pretty you get 10 or more times that. When I was breeding corns I produced a butter stripe, which is actually a 3 recessive gene combo, so in some ways you could say you have to hit 6 copies of genes aka 6 banger. I was breeding triple het to triple het parents, so the odds of producing a butter stripe is 1/64, which is insainely difficult, but thank god corn snakes can lay two clutches of 15+ eggs for a total of 30+ eggs per year. Anyhoo, all that to make one and I think they were only worth $300 back then.

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    Re: New Black and White Eastern Garter Morph Found!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I got the male eating now. Hoping to make some black and white babies this spring....or a least a nice litter of hets.

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    Re: New Black and White Eastern Garter Morph Found!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Quote Originally Posted by Jeff B View Post
    Yeah it could have 10 genes but if its ugly you get $10, but if one gene makes pretty you get 10 or more times that. When I was breeding corns I produced a butter stripe, which is actually a 3 recessive gene combo, so in some ways you could say you have to hit 6 copies of genes aka 6 banger. I was breeding triple het to triple het parents, so the odds of producing a butter stripe is 1/64, which is insainely difficult, but thank god corn snakes can lay two clutches of 15+ eggs for a total of 30+ eggs per year. Anyhoo, all that to make one and I think they were only worth $300 back then.
    im working on some 4 morph combos and its a challenge and I love it. corns are bomb proof and they breed easy so if you have patience and stick to your project you will succeed. its a wonderfull thing. I love working with morphs and you cant beat corns when it comes to that. its very different then ball pythons cuz everything is recessive
    you have the buyers who just want pretty snakes and then you have breeders who want to explore the possibilities of layering genetic mutations

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    Re: New Black and White Eastern Garter Morph Found!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Sadly the black and white eastern female died suddenly and unexpected. She was doing great and eating nightcrawler and fuzzy mice great. I came home from work one day and she was upside down with her mouth open. I cut her open and she wasn't full of babies, nor jellies...nothing. I was pretty shocked and disappointed. No idea why she died. I still have one female and 3 males from the same locale.

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    Re: New Black and White Eastern Garter Morph Found!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Sorry for your loss.
    Unexplained deaths, for being the most studied snake in the world there is still so much we don't know about them.
    Steve
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    Emmy, Kale, Molly, Gabby, Hailee
    They are not just snakes. They're garter snakes.
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    Re: New Black and White Eastern Garter Morph Found!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Sorry to read of your loss Jeff.

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    Re: New Black and White Eastern Garter Morph Found!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Sorry Jeff
    Maybe you will get lucky with the others from the same local

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