Need some id

[aaren]

No he is more brown/green (depend on the light )

[joeysgreen]

Your best clue might be to ask your supplier to help track down specific geographic origin. Without that information you may be limiting your positive ID to species only.

Ian

[aaren]

For him it's both sackenii ( i know he have nitae too because he made nitae x marcianus albino intergrades )

[guidofatherof5]

For him it's both sackenii ( i know he have nitae too because he made nitae x marcianus albino intergrades )

Why in the world would someone do this? With the beautiful variety offered in the Thamnophis genus there is no reason to muddy the gene pool of these snakes. I've always said "just because we can do something, doesn't mean we should" It certainly doesn't sound like this was a accidental breeding.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

It's getting worse too as the years go on, look at all the king,rat,corn,gopher, and milk hybrids. Some of them are very interesting looking, but it wasn't necessary.

why in the world would someone do this? With the beautiful variety offered in the thamnophis genus there is no reason to muddy the gene pool of these snakes. I've always said "just because we can do something, doesn't mean we should" it certainly doesn't sound like this was a accidental breeding.

[aaren]

I don't know why he made this breeding

[d_virginiana]

I really hate hybrid/integrade breeding for native species (more of an issue in the US than for the OP concerning garters). It's one thing when it muddies the gene pools in the pet trade, it's another when an escape or release could affect a wild gene pool.

I've seen some really lovely looking Elaphe obsoleta quadrivittata/Elaphe obsoleta obsoleta integrades in the wild on the NC coast before, so I can see the allure of it, but it's just not something people should mess around with.

[guidofatherof5]

Would you post a photo so we can do a supralabial scale count and get a look at the lateral scales. Please.

[aaren]

Will try to take this in the week end =)