possible t. e. vagrans x t. s. fitichi hybrid?

[slipknot711]

found this, didnt read thru it all but maybe this will help Field Herp Forum • View topic - Possible Hybrid Wandering Gartersnake

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I saw pics of this snake a few months back, but I just now read through it and that's strange about the supralabials. It looks like a pure vagrans though, weird! As far as the size of the eyes go though they look completely normal other than the color. Either way that crazy pied color nose and those red colored eyes looks more like a morph than something created by a hybrid. Very neat snake!

The original rational for it possibly being a hybrid had to do with the number and placement of head scales, including labial scales. Although the pattern is interesting for sure, there is more than the OP eluded to. As they mentioned it isn't their photo.

*I am not implying any of you are wrong by suggesting it is 100% vagrans, only that their is more to the story than appearance.*

-Thomas Wilder

[MasSalvaje]

It should be noted that there have been specimens of vagrans found that only have the 7 supralabials so even that muddies the waters as far as morph/hybrid possibilities. The only possibly conclusive way to determine this is through genetic work.

-Thomas Wilder

[Jeff B]

Very unique looking snake. The eyes say morph to me, kind of leucistic looking.