My venomous Garter... total resemblance!

[SSSSnakes]

Very good point Shawn and the fact the author Kenneth V. Kardong has many peer reviewed papers/books published.


Washington State University - Kenneth Kardong

Amazon.com: Kenneth V. Kardong: Books

An Introduction to Biological Evolution: 9780073050775: Science & Mathematics Books @ Amazon.com

That just goes to show that , just because you get your books or papers published and reviewed, your facts and info can still be wrong. People need to do their own research and check and prove their facts personally. How many times has science changed what it has said was a fact.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

If you read through his article he uses venom and venomous so he knows.he may have just used the words poison in there for the people that didn't know anything about herps so that they would understand. When you write an article you try to make it where everyone understands. All the old timers i know say poisonous snakes lol! Before herps gained so much in popularity alot of people called venomous snakes poisonous because they didn't know any better they just knew if you got bit you either got sick or died so they called them poisonous, lol! How can you say his article is wrong though based on that one statement?

that just goes to show that , just because you get your books or papers published and reviewed, your facts and info can still be wrong. People need to do their own research and check and prove their facts personally. How many times has science changed what it has said was a fact.

[guidofatherof5]

That just goes to show that , just because you get your books or papers published and reviewed, your facts and info can still be wrong. People need to do their own research and check and prove their facts personally. How many times has science changed what it has said was a fact.

I think you're correct, people make mistakes.
I know of a new field herping guide that was just published, it contains at least 1 error. It happens and body of this person's work clearly out shines this 1 error.
The body of Mr. Kardong's work(spanning 40 years) has benefited the reptile community far more then his choice to us the word "poisonous" in place of "venomous"

http://public.wsu.edu/~kkardong/Web%..._06b/index.htm

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[EasternGirl]

She is a beautiful snake. I would love to work with venomous snakes one day...when my son is older and out of the house. As some of you may know, I wrote a research paper on venom in medicine two years ago...it's on the forum somewhere. Would like to publish someday. The article will probably get a lot more attention in the medical community after I get my license...hope to educate more of the medical field on the benefits of venom in the treatment of disease.

[SSSSnakes]

I think you're correct, people make mistakes.
I know of a new field herping guide that was just published, it contains at least 1 error. It happens and body of this person's work clearly out shines this 1 error.
The body of Mr. Kardong's work(spanning 40 years) has benefited the reptile community far more then his choice to us the word "poisonous" in place of "venomous"

http://public.wsu.edu/~kkardong/Web%..._06b/index.htm

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I'm not saying that because he used the word poisonous instead of venomous he is totally wrong. But as I read the article I find him using words like "probably" and "I propose". These are words indicating he does not have facts to back up what he is proposing. I'm not looking to argue the point, but there is no real proven facts to back up any of this, only speculation.

[guidofatherof5]

Okay, I'm certainly not looking for an argument either.
The way I read your post I felt his reputation was in question and responded to that.
No disrespect intended.

[SSSSnakes]

Okay, I'm certainly not looking for an argument either.
The way I read your post I felt his reputation was in question and responded to that.
No disrespect intended.

As I have said before, no problem, all is good. It is nice o have a friendly debate without insults. This way everyone's points get made and maybe something positive comes out of it. We all need to look at every point with an open mind, but we don't always have to agree with it.

[Masticophis]

Bot small to be tailing really, though it can be done. Cute little things though I prefer colubrids myself to hots.
Was it you handling or was you on the safer end taking photo?

[chris-uk]

Interesting snake. Are those your fingers in the background? Do you have it out on the carpet very often? If you do you're a braver man than me...

Edit - Oops, I just replied to the first post in the thread without realising that someone else had already asked more or less the same as me.