Hets?

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Instigator, lol!

every year in the u.s. I see all these gartersnakes that are "hets", like right now you can find het erythristic, het peach flame snow, het erythristic flame snow and het erythristic snow..."genetics guaranteed" and its all bull. I really wonder if gartersnake breeders have forgotten what het even means cuz in the gartersnake community it doesnt mean anything...but if someone calls a gartersnake "northern garter" people are all over it or if someone brings up hybrids your all over it but no one ever says anything about hets that arent hets being sold as hets and it been happening every year for a while now. Its sad.
I apologize if this comes off rude but its something that needs to stop.have a good day.
Joe

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I see what you're saying, but everybody in the whole reptile hobby knows that snow is a combo morph and uses het snow instead of saying het melanistic and het albino so when bred to together you will get albinos, melanistics/anery, snows, or normal possible hets. It just makes it alot shorter and easier, but it still isn't misleading though because when bred together you will get snows if the parents are het for both traits.

it is the same with people claiming het. Snow... No, het amelanistic and het anery / melanistic....

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I got a strange one for you. I had a little tan eastern that was born normal and was told it could color up a erythristic and that it was 100% het snow (aka dbl het melanistic and albino combo). It was the result of a ery/flame bred by a snow female. As he started to grow he began to color up and is now an ery/flame which i bred this year to 2 wc females and both litters had visual flames in them. I thought this was strange considering he was not born a visual flame at birth. This may change the way we look at flames because that means that some of the normals could color up to flames. Has anyone ever heard of this before?

[Jeff B]

I got a strange one for you. I had a little tan eastern that was born normal and was told it could color up a erythristic and that it was 100% het snow (aka dbl het melanistic and albino combo). It was the result of a ery/flame bred by a snow female. As he started to grow he began to color up and is now an ery/flame which i bred this year to 2 wc females and both litters had visual flames in them. I thought this was strange considering he was not born a visual flame at birth. This may change the way we look at flames because that means that some of the normals could color up to flames. Has anyone ever heard of this before?

Yes that is exactly how it works. Some color up over the first year or two more than others and some at different rates as well. We can't predict how that will pan out, dispite ridiculous claims that I have seen from both Joe and Tom that if it doesn't have color when its born it never will.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I always thought that flames had to be somewhat visual at birth so it threw me for a loop.

yes that is exactly how it works. Some color up over the first year or two more than others and some at different rates as well. We can't predict how that will pan out, dispite ridiculous claims that i have seen from both joe and tom that if it doesn't have color when its born it never will.

[snakeman]

Quit being butthurt and making stuff up.there is a reason we never bought anything from you.we know better.I still have three garters.co dominant and het are not the same thing.you know this.yet you still claim they are hets along with your shyster buddy.surprised you even commented without trying to sell something.the one thing I agreed with lingo about is you only show your face when you are trying to sell something.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I think the term peach flame is for lower end flames that have a peachy color down the side still flames just not as much color. Don't hold me to this though. That's just the way I understood it.

I don't get that either because if I'm not mistaken erythristic is co dom so how could there be hets, and what's peach flame? It's either flame or it's not. Now that I'm starting to learn more I'm staying away from shady breeders. Just because its a very well known breeder doesn't mean they won't try to make a quick buck on someone new to garters. And It's a shame because it may be one of the main reasons garters aren't as popular in the hobby.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I think the reason garters are not as popular in the hobby is because lots of people cringe when they see how small the babies are and don't like the idea of cutting up pinkies, fish, and worms to feed them. At least this is what I have been told at shows by lots of people. They admire how beautiful and active they are, but don't want to deal with the hassle of feeding them as babies. They want to throw a pinky in the cage and be done. I love working with garters, but this is what I was told by several different people at shows and on forums.

I don't get that either because if I'm not mistaken erythristic is co dom so how could there be hets, and what's peach flame? It's either flame or it's not. Now that I'm starting to learn more I'm staying away from shady breeders. Just because its a very well known breeder doesn't mean they won't try to make a quick buck on someone new to garters. And It's a shame because it may be one of the main reasons garters aren't as popular in the hobby.

[Thamnophis_Collector]

I got a strange one for you. I had a little tan eastern that was born normal and was told it could color up a erythristic and that it was 100% het snow (aka dbl het melanistic and albino combo). It was the result of a ery/flame bred by a snow female. As he started to grow he began to color up and is now an ery/flame which i bred this year to 2 wc females and both litters had visual flames in them. I thught this was strangeconsidering he was not born a visual flame at birth. This may change the way we look at flames becthat means that some of the normals could color up to flames. Has anyone ever heard of this before?

You may be on to something, but if i had a similar litter I would sell the ones with no red as normals 100% het snow and just let them know its from an ery/flame x snow breeding. Would definitely not call them erythristic or flame hets.

[Jeff B]

You may be on to something, but if i had a similar litter I would sell the ones with no red as normals 100% het snow and just let them know its from an ery/flame x snow breeding. Would definitely not call them erythristic or flame hets.

That is exactly how I have always sold them. Some will color up more than others though. I mean heck it's not like anybody makes money on garters. They sell so cheap it's sad for how much work it is.