Herps in the media

[ConcinusMan]

They are the same thing. Just 2 different names for the same snake.

[jwolfe152]

oh ok...smartass

[ConcinusMan]

I've always known them by the names I gave and I always called them whip snakes but also I was aware many people in CA call them striped racers. Also, I'm pretty sure the Latin name you gave is new. There's a lot of recent and still in progress, renaming and classification of animals going on due to widespread genetic sampling. Gives scientists a much clearer picture of species' true relationships instead of using unreliable and arbitrary visually perceived physical similarities and differences.

[guidofatherof5]

BBC News - Germans hunt turtle after attack on boy

all for a single turtle, lets just hope they dont find a mating pair

Sorry to hear someone was hurt but I'm rooting for Lotti. I'm a bit bias when it comes to snapping turtles.
I only hope if Lotti is found it won't be killed.

[jwolfe152]

I've always known them by the names I gave and I always called them whip snakes but also I was aware many people in CA call them striped racers. Also, I'm pretty sure the Latin name you gave is new. There's a lot of recent and still in progress, renaming and classification of animals going on due to widespread genetic sampling. Gives scientists a much clearer picture of species' true relationships instead of using unreliable and arbitrary visually perceived physical similarities and differences.

i didnt realise that there was that many name changes going on or that much genetic testing going on, seems like a lot of new names will be coming up. lets just hope we dont have to start using some of the name changes to Thamnophis ​that have been suggested by some aussie lol

[ConcinusMan]

I only hope if Lotti is found it won't be killed.

Not holding my breath..

lets just hope we dont have to start using some of the name changes to Thamnophis ​that have been suggested by some aussie lol

* see above response *

Thamnophis has been widely sampled and there's little to no change thank goodness.

[guidofatherof5]

i didnt realise that there was that many name changes going on or that much genetic testing going on, seems like a lot of new names will be coming up. lets just hope we dont have to start using some of the name changes to Thamnophis ​that have been suggested by some aussie lol

I see you've been reading the Hoser thread.

[Stefan-A]

Thamnophis has been widely sampled and there's little to no change thank goodness.

No shortage of sampling, but nobody seems to have given the data much of a context. Changes will be made. Big ones. Species will be lost and gained, distribution maps will be redrawn.

I'm just waiting for them to sort out T. elegans. That should be interesting, to say the least.

[jwolfe152]

I see you've been reading the Hoser thread.

i read it some time ago and just remember the ridiculous naming after him and there being no peer reviews or proof of his claims lol

[ConcinusMan]

No shortage of sampling, but nobody seems to have given the data much of a context. Changes will be made. Big ones. Species will be lost and gained, distribution maps will be redrawn.

I'm just waiting for them to sort out T. elegans. That should be interesting, to say the least.

I hope they don't neglect to compare the Willamette valley morph T. e. elegans with Mt. garters from other areas and with wanderings.