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    Re: PLEASE Help

    The final decision has to be yours but it does sound like she's suffering or at least at a point where recovery is unlikely. Nailing the cause down to the phosphorus is next to impossible. It does sound like she has been on a more fish diet then anything else. That maybe more of an issue in my opinion but this isn't the time for that.
    Rita needs some sort of help whether it be a Vet. (I don't think there is much they can do at this point) or putting her down.
    Garters are very good at hiding(not showing) health issues until it becomes critical. With that in mind a keeper must realize there will be unexpected deaths that will never be explained.
    Prayers are going out to both you and Rita.
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    Re: PLEASE Help

    The only reason I asked about phosphorous was that it can cause issues with calcium uptake. I was being hopeful that you might be dealing with some sort of tox or calcium/phosphorous balance problem, as that would have a better prognosis. That being said, I REALLY doubt what little supplement you gave her did this. If it did then there was something very wrong with her system already that you couldn't have known about or fixed.

    It's up to you what to do, but like Steve said, I doubt there's much that can be done. For now, maybe just leave her under a hide if she's being still and resting. You may want to look into euthanasia procedures in case things get worse just so you're prepared.
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    Re: PLEASE Help

    Does this sound like a thiamese reaction?
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    Re: PLEASE Help

    Quote Originally Posted by Mommy2many View Post
    Does this sound like a thiamese reaction?
    Could be that or many other things unfortunately.
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    I had a female that was spasming just like you say....i was new with garters and before i could do anything she was gone...only had her for two days. The research i did made me think it was thaimese but im just guessing. Hope it helps...good luck and god bless.

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    Re: PLEASE Help

    Oi vey, That's hard to read. I really do hope Rita gets better. Best wishes.

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    Re: PLEASE Help

    I wonder about heavy metals in silversides... Or any wild caught fish for that matter. Thats why I feed worms, chicken heart, pinkies and some farmed fish like salmon or tilapia, fish always have to be fresh never frozen.

    It's not your fault. It truly isn't. You did everything within your knowledge to give her the best possible life. It could have been any number of things. But you followed the caresheet and were feeding her a safe fish.
    Hugs, It's not easy losing a much beloved snake.
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    Re: PLEASE Help

    Quote Originally Posted by Mommy2many View Post
    Does this sound like a thiamese reaction?
    I have had her since she was just inches in length from Scott and have only ever fed her an "approved" diet..

    Update:
    She is still just laying in her cage, her body still softly breathing as she just lays there... This is awful. This is one of the reasons I will never own any more chameleons because they die slow deaths as well and seeing my beloved pets that I've spent countless hours caring for waste away is horrible. Anyone have any "at home" ways of putting her to sleep without just like smashing her with somthing? Ugh the mere thought of trying to find ways to put her out of her misery is killing me
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    Re: PLEASE Help

    fridge for a few hours to softly put her to sleep n cool her down, slow her system, then freezer.

    Thoughts n prayers with you. not easy.
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    Re: PLEASE Help

    Light Of Dae has the best solution that I know of. Steve, any other ideas?
    This is not easy for you and I do not envy your position. I have been "lucky" in the aspect that mine have passed without watching them suffer.
    Except for two of my frogs. Different story. It is not easy watching a loved one suffer. I hope you can find peace in whatever you need to do to help Rita. Prayers are with you both.
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