i was just given a grab bag of garters

[chris-uk]

hehe.... None of these are remotely correct but that's okay. You did get the ribbon!

There are definitely no checkereds, no radix, and no Easterns in this group

Oh well, all the species you suggest are species I've never seen. There's so many species that we rarely see in the UK, don't think we get many T. elegans so they aren't species I'd normally think of.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Wait a minute! In the first pic in the bottom right hand corner that snake favors a sierra garter. I think will have to have better pics and maybe even the area they came from to ID correctly.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

I see what you mean about the really black and yellow one, i didn't pay that much attention to it at first, but it could be an elegans. I thought that most elegans elegans had a cream or yellow colored belly though. Are you sure the red stripe couldn't be a northwestern?

I really, really don't think it's an ordinoes based on what I can see.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

Oh well, all the species you suggest are species I've never seen. There's so many species that we rarely see in the UK, don't think we get many T. elegans so they aren't species I'd normally think of.

I knew that you aren't from the US and don't see garters like we do! If you showed me a bucket of natrix I would probably have some difficulty.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

I see what you mean about the really black and yellow one, i didn't pay that much attention to it at first, but it could be an elegans. I thought that most elegans elegans had a cream or yellow colored belly though. Are you sure the red stripe couldn't be a northwestern?

Look up "mountain garter snake" and take a look at those. They're jet black and bright yellow... Very awesome snakes.

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I almost got some mountain garters off of peck one time! They are very awesome, but do some have black bellies?

[BLUESIRTALIS]

THAT BLACK AND YELLOW SNAKE ALMOST LOOKS LIKE A PUGET EXCEPT FOR THE HEAD! TAKE A LOOK AT THIS PUGET!

I see what you mean about the really black and yellow one, i didn't pay that much attention to it at first, but it could be an elegans. I thought that most elegans elegans had a cream or yellow colored belly though. Are you sure the red stripe couldn't be a northwestern?

[BLUESIRTALIS]

The head looks more northwestern though and ordies do come in black and yellow.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

If that black and yellow snake was a puget I'd lay an egg.... It's really, really bright yellow. I have only seen one snake of this look that was that intense in yellow and black contrast... Elegans elegans. I mean if it ended up getting scale counted and ID'ed as a sirtalis I would say fitchi or parietalis before pickeringii. The stripes also look too high up to be sirtalis stripes which is what caused me to take a look at some elegans elegans. I really don't think there are any ordinoes in this picture at all.

To me the head on the red stripe looks like the ones I raised up. They had some pretty clunky heads. Until we see better pics especially of the faces of the snakes there is no knowing for sure. The one thing that has me second guessing now that I can see these pics on a bigger screen, is the overall length of the snake. It looks rather short to be a ribbon. So maybe ill have to eat my words on that one.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

The more I try to zoom in on it, the more indecisive I get.


Zooming in on the black and yellow one's head it does appear to be an elegans.

zooming in on the "ribbon/ordinoes" head... I have no clue.