San Fran City pays for building golf course on garter and frog habitat

[jwolfe152]

i know farming does use a lot of land but the food they grow a lot of people can benefit from but how does a golf course benefit anyone? im not saying im doing anything to help the situation, or ready to be a hermit because im not, its just messed up they build a golf course (im not sure if it was public or private) that a lot of people probably cant even get past the gates because they dont make 6 figures and now they are mad because they have to pay fines with the money they made killing all those frogs and snakes(when was the sf garter but on the threatened/endangered list before or after the course was built?)

i really hope this made sense to someone besides me

[the_edsta]

it doesn't sound like they actually "care" then, its just an annoyance and don't want to potentially pay a fine. if they did care then they would be doing something about it, as in not developing an area or making or setting up a sanctuary for animals that get displaced from development. thats just my opinion.

I agree, but still, that is a semantic argument. Care doesn't need to be emotional or even 'authentic'... It will mean one thing to one philosopher, something else to another, or to a sociologist, or to a behavioral economist. At any rate, what does matter is that people (developers particularly) modify their behavior in a way that is amenable to those with some 'authentic' concern for the natural world (even if the notion is ultimately selfish -- or at least in the spirit of self preservation) rather than seeing it as something that can be used (exploited) for the accumulation of wealth (eg corporate capitalism). And gladly, snake enthusiasts have a voice in that game... Which is why I stick to domestic snakes only! Similarly, fresh water anglers have always had a voice when it comes to preservation, as have hunters, in their own way.

[jwolfe152]

that sounds about what i wanted to say. its hard for me to explain how i feel about things. best for someone to have the same view and then me agree lol

[the_edsta]

that sounds about what i wanted to say. its hard for me to explain how i feel about things. best for someone to have the same view and then me agree lol

Well, you're ideas are right on! (Easy to say, since we agree!)