Quote Originally Posted by ConcinnusMan View Post
And I've herped first-hand, populations of them that vary a lot and find ones that don't look exactly like anything shown in the hobby/pet trade. Then walk a few feet and I could easily find one that looks exactly like yours or anyone elses. Then, a few feet away I could find one that looks nothing like yours or any others from that county.

You could show me any infernalis from any county, or anywhere in the pet trade and I could go herping in one spot, in one county and show you a snake that looks exactly like what you got, or nothing like any you see online.

You could show me a "neon blue" infernalis, then show me the one you got there and tell me they came from the same spot and I would believe it because I've seen that kind of variation in one place before.

Then low and behold, I go herping for concinnus and pickeringi and encounter the same thing. Yes, there is some geographical differences in morphology but in some places, the varied morphology is the rule rather than an exception.

I wouldn't doubt it one bit if you told me that snake came from coastal Del Norte or Humbolt Co. I could probably find one there that looks exactly like it, and also one that looks nothing like it.
the male i had with this girl looked more like a Marin County so yeah i understand varability, you know this. The reason i posted her is because she has the typical Sonoma County LOOK...thats what makes her different. If someone wants a Sonoma County infernalis it is because of how they typically look...they tend to have more red as they age. A Marin County doesnt get more red with age. Thats what attracted me to the Sonoma County infernalis.
It would be very easy to sell a Marin County as a Sonoma County and vice versa but that would be ignorant!!