Morph Identification?

[Greg'sGarters]

If you have any for sale, let me know! I will be the first to pay for one!

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

If you have any for sale, let me know! I will be the first to pay for one!

Greg, it is illegal to sell anything collected from the wilds of PA.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

And you haven't gotten any of these for me because...? D'OH!

Hehe... they are rare, few and far between! For every 50 average specimens like the one greg posted in this thread, I will find a smoker! Although I only get out herping (meaning actually go out for the whole day) about 3 or 4 times a season now.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

If you have any for sale, let me know! I will be the first to pay for one!

Also... as a side note, in PA your bag limit is ONE. Do not get caught carrying more than one around. Shorthead garter snakes, green snakes, and a few others are completely off limits.

[Selkielass]

Also... as a side note, in PA your bag limit is ONE. Do not get caught carrying more than one around. Shorthead garter snakes, green snakes, and a few others are completely off limits.

And I believe you need a fishing or small game license to take legally harvestable snakes and amphibians. (a looked into it to last summer.)

[Greg'sGarters]

Greg, it is illegal to sell anything collected from the wilds of PA.

I know. That's why I don't sell my wild caughts. I shouldn't have said buy, maybe trade?

Also... as a side note, in PA your bag limit is ONE. Do not get caught carrying more than one around. Shorthead garter snakes, green snakes, and a few others are completely off limits.

Yup. Absolutely correct, I have a copy of the rules and regulations for PA. Picked one up at Walmart.

And I believe you need a fishing or small game license to take legally harvestable snakes and amphibians. (a looked into it to last summer.)

Actually in PA, you can collect reptiles on land without a permit, if you catch any in the water, you need a fishing permit. That reminds me, I need to get my new fishing permit for PA this year (I like to walk in the water in waders and catch water snakes and turtles like that). Same for amphibians but you can't catch them at night using artificial light at all. I wonder if I could get in trouble if I lit a torch and used that?

[Selkielass]

JaY Looked for snakes in grandpas back yard under grandpas license while we were visiting last summer. I never found the exemption for looking for snakes on land, but im glad I erred on the side of caution.
In Michigan we can take 5 unprotected snakes w a license, and I wouldn't want to touch trying to sell or trade any natives, but I have given them as gifts. Its tricky with t. Butlerii, which is legal to own and collect (ina limited numbers.)I here, but fully protected in some adjacent states

[Greg'sGarters]

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Look at the first 2 points on there. Shannon's point is the 3rd to last point.

[ConcinusMan]

Didn't really want it to turn into yet another legal discussion but it just seems kind of funny... that goes for almost all states. The selling/exporting/trading part, (not allowed) and yet the hobby is still full of snakes that only occur in those states. Many of us have/own snakes that could only have been taken illegally at some point. .

For example... yes, you might have got that puget (very popular and widespread in the hobby, but in the wild, they ONLY occur where it's illegal to sell/export/trade them) of yours from a breeder in NY perfectly legally but someone had to take them illegally from the wild at some point, or they wouldn't be in the hobby to breed in the first place. That goes for a lot of the species/subspecies we keep. Hardly anyone even thinks about that for some reason.

You might have gotten yours perfectly legally, but they're ALL descended from illegally taken animals. There's no getting around that fact. In essence it makes all of us just as guilty whether you got yours legally or not.

[Greg'sGarters]

I caught mine legally though. I only caught one that day.