Group shot 2012 holdbacks

[guidofatherof5]

I think the ones i have are thamnophis melanogaster canesecens. The melanistic is awesome!

Sorry.

T. m. canescens (Gray blackbelly garter snake)

[BLUESIRTALIS]

I don't know this species real well, but i think the only captive bred black bellieds avail in us collections at this time is the canescens. Maybe joe or scott will chime in on this. I also think that the male melanistic may be the only captive bred melanistic canescens in us collections. Correct if im wrong but i'm not very knowledgeable on melanogasters. I do know that they are very cool thamnophis and have a very glossy look to them. The ones i have mike purchased from scott felzer and if i had to guess they probably originated from steven bol's collection.thanks mike!

sorry.

T. M. Canescens (gray blackbelly garter snake)

[ProXimuS]

Oooh Pictures, pictures, pictures!

[chris-uk]

Oooh Pictures, pictures, pictures!

Emily, take a look at the pics and information on Steven Bol's website:
Thamnophis melanogaster canescens - Steven Bol Garter Snakes

Steve Bol is the first stop for information about Mexican garters.

[BUSHSNAKE]

Steven Bol Just described a new subspecies from Mexico...VERY COOL STUFF

Unfortunatly Scott Felzer has driven the price into the ground of his Mexican Garter species before they even had a chance to become more popular in the U.S. Pretty sad in my book cuz theyre wonderful animals.

[ConcinusMan]

Who says they were destined to become popular in the first place? Just trying to figure out how he had anything to do with driving the price down.

[guidofatherof5]

Here's some interesting info. with regards to this species.
The following info. is from the IUCN website.
Here is a link to the web page.
Thank you Steve Schmidt for this info.
Thamnophis melanogaster

Justification:
The species is listed as Endangered because it has suffered a population reduction of at least 50% in the past 10 years, inferred from destruction of its freshwater habitat due to agricultural and industrial water pollution. This trend is ongoing.

[mikem]

Good luck with those guys Shawn!

[BLUESIRTALIS]

Thanks mike!

good luck with those guys shawn!

[BUSHSNAKE]

Who says they were destined to become popular in the first place? Just trying to figure out how he had anything to do with driving the price down.

I know Scott doesnt want to see any of his animals from his bloodlines being sold for half of what they go for...and thats all i got to say Richard