Post pics of your anery red sideds?

[Lisa4john]

Joe said "Shannon didnt say it was an anery only thats how one would look BY DEFFINITION, its hard to compare redsides, plains, and easterns because in their natural form they dont look the same so why should the morphs look the same "

Here are some pics of anery garters (Plains, West Va and south Carolina Easterns, and red sideds).

Scott

I like the Red Sided best, beautiful snake. I wanna have one some day.

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

I have already said it but i honestly do not find the anerythristic label accurate in this case. This gene is far more complicated, it wipes all colors, blacks out the eyes, increases black pigments, and also affects the translucency of the scales, most noticeable under the chin. We see a similar effect in the translucent morph of california king snake. Honestly, I don't think it would be properly labeled as any of the simple a-prefixed gene names, whether it be anerythristic, axanthic or any other. One thing is for certain it sure is atypical. Anerythristic is exactly that... Lacking those specific pigments. I guess if you want to ignore all the other things wrong with this morph, it CAN be labeled as anerythristic, but I feel that is falling far short of it's full set of characteristics, description-wise. To me that would be similar to calling a melanistic the white-chinned black eyed morph. When I see these at shows they often aren't even labeled as Anery anyways...so I guess people just do what they want regardless of what we say.

[ConcinusMan]

I hear exactly what you're saying. I call those special concinnus' I find "anerythristic" (since they do lack red/orange pigment) but it seems to me like if they are truly anery, there should be no pigment at all where the orange would be, but that's not the case. The pigment is there, it just isn't red/orange and often, (not always) it's replaced by blue pigment. So it's a little more complicated than just simply taking away red pigment.

I still think "anerythristic" applies. It simply describes a normally red snake, that lacks red pigment. Obviously, there can be different "types" of anery.

[Lisa4john]

Whatever you call it, I like. Also I love the blue coloration like Smoke and Molly have, but the Silver was nice too.

[Invisible Snake]

Anerythrism

Red pigmentation is not synthesized by xanthophores. Yellow pigmentation in the xanthophores is still present. Additionally, yellow pigments in the form of carotenoids are still retained in the xanthophores. This accumulates with age and may be a major contributing factor in the overall appearance of some animals. Typically, anerythristic reptiles appear as black and white animals, with varying amounts of yellow present.

[BUSHSNAKE]

Anerythrism

Red pigmentation is not synthesized by xanthophores. Yellow pigmentation in the xanthophores is still present. Additionally, yellow pigments in the form of carotenoids are still retained in the xanthophores. This accumulates with age and may be a major contributing factor in the overall appearance of some animals. Typically, anerythristic reptiles appear as black and white animals, with varying amounts of yellow present.

In order for something to be anerythristic it has to be red or have red.
The anery plains and the anery red sided and the melanistic eastern are the same morph and here is why:
If they were anery when that trait meets an albino you are not seeing the removal of red...you are seeing the albino taking away the BLACK...that is what you see happening with the iowa and nebraska snow. Redsided snow and Shuett snow.

[BUSHSNAKE]

Why label something its CLEARLY not....i have a real problem with that cuz it causes confusion. If you cant get it right then whats the point.

[BUSHSNAKE]

And when melanistic easterns have a pattern(there are pictures of one on this forum go look) its whitish/greyish just like......you get my point

[BUSHSNAKE]

I dont know how to link it but under the thread "new sirtalis morph" you can see a melanistic eastern with a pattern....it was captive born so its pure Toledo Ohio melanistic

[aSnakeLovinBabe]

I don't think that the redsided morph is EXACTLY the same as the Mel eastern. In fact it cant be. Mainly because of the translucency it gives the scales which is not an effect seen in any other thamnophis morph that I know of aside from the plains. But you can call it melanistic and not be wrong. It just isn't a complete description. I do feel that the redsided morph and plains morph produce similar effects. But the melanistic eastern is a little different, same class as the wandering in terms of the way it lays out the pattern/black. It's similar to my pet peeve, which is when hypomelanistic animals get labeled "albino". The Nebraska plains morph, can be called a hypomelanistic. It is not an amel, as it still has melanin, just greatly reduced. and it is not albino because albino animals lack all pigment or by another definition is "abnormally white" and true albinism, by those definitions, is rare. The Iowa morph, I guess you call call that albino going by layman terms but I call it an amel and be done with it. I think mostly, the term albino is just outdated and it's a lot more complicated than "this is albino" and "this isnt". One thing people need to start doing though is removing their feelings for their morphs from the equation and be able to discuss how they named a morph without taking offense when it is brought into light that terminology is t necessarily ideal.