T. ordinoides on the Ranch

[RedSidedSPR]

Steve's atmosphere is magical.

[guidofatherof5]

Steve's atmosphere is magical.

I think you might be on to something Jesse. Not that it's magical but that maybe the smells (food and garters) might make the snakes feel comfortable/less stressed.

[katach]

Did some measuring today. My two girls I was able to get out, Mocha is 23.5in, and Blade is 25.25in. I think that's pretty big for a NW. Have you measured your girls Steve?

[guidofatherof5]

Did some measuring today. My two girls I was able to get out, Mocha is 23.5in, and Blade is 25.25in. I think that's pretty big for a NW. Have you measured your girls Steve?

Nope. Don't measure my snakes as a rule but for this thread I will do so.

[Invisible Snake]

Sorry Steve I don't mean to hijack your thread, but I found this very interesting and had to ask him about it.

Well, I know of a place where they spend the winter with concinnus'. Both species den in a wooded area with plenty of fallen trees/ rotting logs. On mild winter days with sunshine , they come out and bask on top of the logs. i've seen them out in Nov, Dec, Feb but its 25 miles from me and you have to time it just right. They only come out briefly when conditions are just right.

If they share a brumation den with concinnus isn't it likely they would crossbreed in the Spring? Have you seen any crossbreeds between the 2 species?

[guidofatherof5]

Sorry Steve I don't mean to hijack your thread, but I found this very interesting and had to ask him about it.



If they share a brumation den with concinnus isn't it likely they would crossbreed in the Spring? Have you seen any crossbreeds between the 2 species?

Not a problem.
I don't think they crossbreed because there is such a difference in size and physical make-up. I know that hemipenises come in different shapes.
I'm guessing there is just too much difference between the two species.
Just my opinion.

[ConcinusMan]

I think you might be on to something Jesse. Not that it's magical but that maybe the smells (food and garters) might make the snakes feel comfortable/less stressed.

That doesn't explain much. I kept flicker exactly how I kept him before. Same tank, same house, same everything as the time when I borrowed him. He ate like he's eating for you, the first time I had him. Even ate pinkies. In spite of all the eating, he still didn't get thick. I wouldn't expect him to if I were you. You mentioned putting girth on him. He just doesn't do it. On the other hand, he didn't lose much during the long fast.

[ConcinusMan]

Sorry Steve I don't mean to hijack your thread, but I found this very interesting and had to ask him about it.



If they share a brumation den with concinnus isn't it likely they would crossbreed in the Spring? Have you seen any crossbreeds between the 2 species?

Nope. First off the pheromones are completely different. They don't attract each other. Second, northwesterns have very specific and unique sexual organs that will only work with other northwesterns. It's physically impossible for them to copulate with any other species.

[guidofatherof5]

By girth I guess what I want is just a little more thickness. I think he looks pretty good right now.
He's certainly no thinner then any of the other males I keep.

[ConcinusMan]

I know, I'm just amazed at that. He went so long without eating. He did begin to feel a little weak though. He kinda lost that firm, strong feeling grip/muscle tone.