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    Re: Hibernation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Boabab95 View Post
    That depends completely on the frog, one of my dart frog groups [100% safe in captivity] are laying 3-5 clutches a month, each clutch containing ~19 eggs. The garters also seem to like them
    Quote Originally Posted by Mandi0284 View Post
    Is it safe to give them dart frog tadpoles?
    That would be my concern... Ain't dart frogs toxic to most predators? Wouldn't the tadpoles be toxic too?
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    Re: Hibernation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Light of Dae View Post
    That would be my concern... Ain't dart frogs toxic to most predators? Wouldn't the tadpoles be toxic too?
    Apparently the toxicity originates from their diet in the wild. If I remember correctly.

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    Re: Hibernation?

    You are correct.

    "It is argued that dart frogs do not synthesize their poisons, but sequester the chemicals from arthropod prey items, such as ants, centipedes and mites - the diet-toxicity hypothesis.[22][23] Because of this, captive-bred animals do not possess significant levels of toxins as they are reared on diets that do not contain the alkaloids sequestered by wild populations. Nonetheless, the captive-bred frogs retain the ability to accumulate alkaloids when they are once again provided an alkaloid-containing diet.[24] Despite the toxins used by some poison dart frogs, some predators have developed the ability to withstand them. One is the snake Leimadophis epinephelus, which has developed immunity to the poison."

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    Re: Hibernation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan-A View Post
    Apparently the toxicity originates from their diet in the wild. If I remember correctly.
    Yep, that's correct, while they may have the ability to produce the toxins if fed the right bugs, they are completely harmless...

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    Re: Hibernation?

    I have good news for you all. The "chill period" I put the snakes through seemed to work. Zeus has eaten 2 fuzzy mice without issue or scenting. Jesse has eaten one tadpole, but not much else , and the baby snake has eaten chopped tadpole.

    I want to get them on a mouse diet ASAP. How do garters take to live fuzzy mice? Are they accepted? I was thinking about breeding my own feeder mice for them?
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    Re: Hibernation?

    I would be concerned as fuzzies are more then capable of biting/injuring the snake.
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    Re: Hibernation?

    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan-A View Post
    Apparently the toxicity originates from their diet in the wild. If I remember correctly.
    That is totally correct. Raised in captivity nothing toxic about them.

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    Re: Hibernation?

    Quote Originally Posted by guidofatherof5 View Post
    I would be concerned as fuzzies are more then capable of biting/injuring the snake.
    Oh. What about pinky mice? Should I stick with F/T mice?
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    Re: Hibernation?

    I don't think pinkies would be an issue but then again I don't/won't feed live.
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    Re: Hibernation?

    Congratz
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