Hybrid!!!

[FireRedGarters]

Check this out I found it on another forum. Field Herp Forum • View topic - SE OR:Probable Thamnophis sirtalis fitchi X elegans vagrans
What do u guys think is it a hybrid or just an odd specimen p

[Stefan-A]

I see absolutely no reason to even speculate that it might be a hybrid, which doesn't mean that it isn't one. But it does not have any traits (scale counts, coloration, body shape, head shape) that I'd associate with T. elegans vagrans, but all the traits I'd associate with T. sirtalis.

[guidofatherof5]

I see nothing but T.sirtalis also.

[katach]

Just looks like an odd colored sirtalis to me.

[Steveo]

I see how the head has the 'look' of T.e. vagrans but the scale counts say otherwise.

[Stefan-A]

I see how the head has the 'look' of T.e. vagrans

To me that head looks nothing like T. e. vagrans and it's exactly what I'd expect from T. sirtalis.

[d_virginiana]

Big head/neck for a male eastern IMO (or maybe I'm just used to funny looking ones!), but nothing really abnormal or that makes me think it's a hybrid.

[kibakiba]

They weren't saying it was an eastern