Raleigh NC reptile show

[kibakiba]

Well, I was just pointing out that similis isn't the actual smallest garter. Most people wont breed northwesterns. They are hard to deal with, and like cooler temperatures.

[guidofatherof5]

I think there was a discussion thread about the smallest garter. I'll see if I can find it.

Found this 2007 thread.
http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/general-talk/518-smallest-garters-ribbons.html

[kueluck]

Chantel and Steve, thanks for the info. I really do appreciate it.

[EasternGirl]

Gail...I am a little late to this discussion...but I have Cee Cee...my three foot long eastern female in a 30 gallon tank, and I am getting ready to put another large female in with her. Cee Cee has plenty of room in her enclosure, and when Seeley was in there with her, they were fine in there together. I have Seeley in a 29 long...he is two and a half feet long...although he isn't very big in diameter, and I am getting ready to put another male in with him. I have Hermes and Possum...both a foot long...in a 29 long, and I am getting ready to put a third male in with them. You should be fine putting another female in with Zena. Worse comes to worse and you feel like they don't have enough room once they are together...go on Craig's List and find a nice used tank for them that is bigger.

To add to the above discussion about small garters...
After seeing how small eastern babies are and talking to a breeder...I would never want to breed easterns. The babies are just so small. Not something I would want to deal with on a regular basis.

[kueluck]

No babies for me. That's why my original plan was to have 2 males, but then this girl came along and after a few hours with her I knew she was NOT going back into the wild. I have the Zilla 30X12X12, but it just doesn't seem big enough. At this point it would be pushing it to get another tank. I may just wait a bit and sell off the other 30X12X12 along with a ten gal and see what happens from there. I can also wait until Petco has the tank sale and get another 40 gal breeder tank. I just don't want Zena to get bored by herself in the tank.