Raleigh NC reptile show

[kueluck]

ah, no. I just thought a 30 x 12 x 12 would not be big enough. So it would be okay to put another female in there????

[kibakiba]

I have 2 nearly adult and one adult in a 20 long. They fit fine. One of the near-adults and the adult are northwesterns, which are small... But Snap is going to get pretty huge, and they all share the same hide, which is about the size of my hand and a half. Two females can fit in a 29 long, but it could cause problems if they don't like each other.

[kueluck]

<~~~doing the happy dance.
<~~~checking the fundage.

[kueluck]

The show was a bust, only 2 albino checkered and I'm not a fan of red eyed anything, kinda creeps me out. But I did get some pinkies and some nice grape vines. I was checking on line for the smallest garter snake and it came up with the blue striped garter (Thamnophis sirtalis similis). I think I want one, but I'm not holding my breath on finding one.

[kibakiba]

Smallest garter, as in size? I don't think a t.s. similis is the smallest. Butlers are pretty darn small. Northwesterns are, too. My 1 year old litter is still a lot smaller than a pencil, which is normal. Even my 2 year old, he's almost pencil size.

[d_virginiana]

I think that may have been reversed... I've heard of some pretty large similis before. I thought they were actually some of the biggest. I know people constantly confuse them with Florida blue easterns, and they have a reputation for being on the larger side as well.

Last time I went to a show in Raleigh, the only garter there was an "albino checkers garder". Needless to say I didn't really trust the breeder

[kueluck]

As for the show the first question is w/c or c/b, then male or female. I turned down an awesome Smooth-sided toad because it was w/c. But it was very tempting.

[kueluck]

I found the info I was looking for. It's from Scott Felzer's site Blue-Striped Garter
Found in a very limited range in Western Florida, blue-striped garters (T. sirtalis similis) occur in Wakulla County South to the Withlacoochee River. Their preferred habitat is marshes and pinewoods of Northwestern Florida. Their diet consists of fish, frogs, toads and rodents.
Coloration varies from sky blue to navy blue to dark blue. The dorsal stripe is either a yellowish golden or tannish color. White speckles are evident throughout the body as well. At birth they don’t show these colors, looking like normal Florida eastern garters. However as they grow, their colors become more distinguishable. This species is often confused with the Florida eastern garter due to some normal easterns having a high degree of blue in their coloration.
In my collection, this species tends to be smaller than other garters. Adult females are typically 24 to 30 inches, and adult males are 16 to 20 inches in length.

The show was a bust, only 2 albino checkered and I'm not a fan of red eyed anything, kinda creeps me out. But I did get some pinkies and some nice grape vines. I was checking on line for the smallest garter snake and it came up with the blue striped garter (Thamnophis sirtalis similis). I think I want one, but I'm not holding my breath on finding one.

[kibakiba]

That is still quite a bit bigger than a northwesten or butler garter.

[kueluck]

Chantel, I don't see either one of those listed on Scott's site. I don't want to have one shipped, I want to be able to pick it up. Just going over the list, this one seems to be the smallest he has.