I found an albino.

[ConcinusMan]

T positive albino wandering garter:

[katach]

What a lovely little fella!!

[ssssnakeluvr]

Hey Richard.... I saw years ago on the original thamnophis.com a pic of an albino concinnus.... it was a long time ago and no one knows what happened to it. was a cool looking snake. as far as this one...I am leaning towards ordinoides due to the pattern...haven't seen patterns like that on wanderings...

[ConcinusMan]

Well, I'm looking at the rows of dots on the snake in question and keep thinking "wandering" but that small head, not offset from the body... that's a northwestern trait. Hard to tell at this point. If someone would just do the scale count we could confirm or rule out northwestern.

If that's a T positive northwestern, that's one of a kind. Never before found that I'm aware of.

[ssssnakeluvr]

yea...just waiting.... =) would be cool to be a t+ albino.... these types of things have to show up every now and then =) just wish something like that would pop up where I am!!!

[ConcinusMan]

Hey Richard.... I saw years ago on the original thamnophis.com a pic of an albino concinnus.... it was a long time ago and no one knows what happened to it.

Yeah, I know. You told me that before but I'm extremely skeptical. I still don't believe that albino concinnus' have ever been found in the wild, and you're probably already aware of the mislabeling problem in the hobby. I've seen plenty of snakes called concinnus' that were anything but. I've talked to Dr. Robert Mason (professor of zoology, OSU) about that and there are no records of any ever being found for concinnus or pickeringi. Plenty of records for T negative northwesterns and T. e. vagrans though, both confirmed and recorded and well, we have plenty of pics of those available.

haven't seen patterns like that on wanderings...

They're a bit different here in WA compared to UT snakes. The pattern wouldn't be all that unusual for a WA wandering. Some have nothing more than rows of tiny specks, or no rows of spots at all. The pattern isn't a very compelling argument for me, but that small head...

We need scale counts! We need clear, closeups of the head showing scale patterning and detail.

[kibakiba]

Wanderings look a lot like northwesterns here. I had one that was tan with little black spots, the way NWs look.

[Invisible Snake]

Hey which albinos are sensitive to light.. t+ or t- or both?

[ssssnakeluvr]

hopefully we can get some scale counts. wanderings do have a good variation in patterns.... I did see the pic of the albino concinnus.... but the website was blocked so I couldn't copy the pic and save it. definitely looked like a concinnus to me...unfortunately since this is now a forum and the old site and all info is forever lost... guess I won't be able to find it again...

[guidofatherof5]

hopefully we can get some scale counts. wanderings do have a good variation in patterns.... I did see the pic of the albino concinnus.... but the website was blocked so I couldn't copy the pic and save it. definitely looked like a concinnus to me...unfortunately since this is now a forum and the old site and all info is forever lost... guess I won't be able to find it again...

If you find it again you can do a "screen print" and crop the wanted image. Just a thought.