I found an albino.

[RicMartin]

Good luck with him. Very nice looking!

[ssssnakeluvr]

T+ T.radix

I am going with ordinoides, small rows of spots along the stripes. there's no radix in Washington

[guidofatherof5]

I am going with ordinoides, small rows of spots along the stripes. there's no radix in Washington

You misunderstood Don.
She was asking about a different snake from a different member in a different thread.
http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/welc...-everyone.html

[ssssnakeluvr]

oooops..... not the first time

[EasternGirl]

So are we saying William's albino is an ordinoides then? Or a vagrans? Inquiring minds would like to to know.....

[katach]

First impression is NW. Would need some good photos of the head to know for sure.

[ssssnakeluvr]

I'm leaning towards ordinoides.... they have rows of spots along the stripes...not a full checker pattern like vagrans

[EasternGirl]

Just for the record...I have no idea what it is...I'm just waiting to see what other members say. Lol. Btw...what does T+ mean?

[guidofatherof5]

I took this from Jeff B. website. Hope it helps.
Garter Snake Morph

Albinos generally have a complete lack of melanin, yet still can produce xanthin and erythrin, which is why they will still have varying amounts of reds, yellows, and orange. That is why the combination of erythristic morph types with albino has enormous appeal and designer morph potential. The reptile world often classifies albinism into two main types of albinos: Tyrosinase positive (T+) and Tyrosinase negative (T-). Tyrosinase is an enzyme that is involved in one of the first steps to melanin production, it converts the amino acid tyrosine into the compound dopaquinone. Ablino snakes are often lumped into one of the two groups T+ or T- based on the idea that the T+ albinos have a darker more caramel/purple look, however this is a guess at best and a gross oversimplification of what causes the different albinos in snakes, due to a lack of knowledge and research being done at the biochemical and genetic level of snakes, and/or public knowledge of such studies. Having many different possibilities or mechanisms that can cause albinism is the reason that even though two types of albinos in a species may or may not be genetically compatible, so when 2 albinos from different parentage are crossed might not produce albinos but rather double hets for the two different albino types. For example it is well know that the Iowa albino and Nebraska albino types in the plains garter are not compatible, and recently it was discovered that the Bluegrass albino and Shuett albino in the eastern garter are not compatible.

[EasternGirl]

Thanks Steve...that is very interesting and helpful info on albinos. I am guessing then, that looking at my albinos...that Hermes and Possum are both T- albinos...because they are very pale and look to be lacking in melanin completely...or almost completely. And then, like you said, I can see where Dan's albino..has a darker caramel/yellow color...making it a T+ albino. Would I be correct in that observation?