Alright...so I got to thinking last night after I got off of the forum. To combine a couple of discussions we have been having on here lately...looking at some of these garters we have been trying to ID lately and considering the fact that we have been struggling to ID some of them, and taking into account the fact that we have noticed traits from more than one species on some of them...which is why they have been so difficult to identify...is it too much of a leap to say that we could be dealing with crossbreeding here? I mean, if we know for a fact that some of these shops import W/C snakes and mislabel them...is it so hard to imagine they might be doing some crossbreeding as well?