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    "PM Boots For Custom Title" BUSHSNAKE's Avatar
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    Re: Understanding breeding norms

    Quote Originally Posted by Stefan-A View Post
    To an extent, not completely. And the point was that you don't necessarily know what you're dealing with or that the other person does.
    that is true..the list of people that i trust is pretty short

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    Re: Understanding breeding norms

    I have a pair of hybrids....eastern x albino checkered. I will try to post pics later. they are pretty snakes. I don't purposely cross breed garters....these were from a friend that had an oops. they actually are pretty snakes. I keep mine separate to avoid such a happening.

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    Re: Understanding breeding norms

    here they are.....

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    Re: Understanding breeding norms

    Cute
    Chantel
    2.2.3 Thamnophis ordinoides Derpy Scales, Hades, Mama, Runt, Pumpkin, Azul, Spots
    (Rest in peace Snakey, Snap, Speckles, Silver, Ember and Angel.)

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    Re: Understanding breeding norms

    Beautiful.
    Steve
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    Emmy, Kale, Molly, Gabby, Hailee
    They are not just snakes. They're garter snakes.
    http://www.youtube.com/user/thamnophis14?feature=mhee

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    Re: Understanding breeding norms

    Yeah...I have to say...I do find them rather lovely.
    Marnie
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    Izzy, Seeley, Ziggy, Perseus, Peanut, Snapper, Hermes, Sadie, Osiris, Seraphina, Little Joe


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    Re: Understanding breeding norms

    Looks like we have to remove "they will necessiarly turn out ugly" from the list of reasons not to cross breed. There are plenty of more substantial reasons anyway, though.

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    Re: Understanding breeding norms

    Most seem to, though.
    Chantel
    2.2.3 Thamnophis ordinoides Derpy Scales, Hades, Mama, Runt, Pumpkin, Azul, Spots
    (Rest in peace Snakey, Snap, Speckles, Silver, Ember and Angel.)

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    Re: Understanding breeding norms

    Wow, those are actually pretty... Kind of remind me of the silver eastern morph.

    I'm generally against cross breeding in pretty much any sort of reptile/amphibian. It's really common in pacman frogs, where a cranwelli x ornata gives you a much more desirable morph. It's so common that people talk about it almost like it's a species (Fantasy frog) This got people into thinking that whatever species of horned frog you mixed would end up giving you a good cross, and they ended up with a crossbreed called a 'green apple'. They are beautiful, but they almost all have severe spinal problems, and a lot of them don't even reach adulthood. The ones that do are usually sickly and terrible eaters. It really bothers me that people still try to create them knowing this. I'd hate to see something like that happen with garters.
    Besides, no cross is as cool looking as the morphs you can get from just one species.
    Lora

    3.0 T. sirtalis sirtalis, 1.1 T. cyrtopsis ocellatus, 1.0 L. caerulea, 0.1 C. cranwelli, 0.1 T. carolina, 0.1 P. regius, 0.1 G. rosea, 0.0.1 B. smithi, 0.1 H. carolinensis

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    Re: Understanding breeding norms

    Quote Originally Posted by mb90078 View Post
    Looks like we have to remove "they will necessiarly turn out ugly" from the list of reasons not to cross breed. There are plenty of more substantial reasons anyway, though.
    These aren't ugly, but the traditional garter cuteness helps there >

    Quote Originally Posted by d_virginiana View Post
    Wow, those are actually pretty... Kind of remind me of the silver eastern morph.
    Also similar to other morphs of elegans etc ... nothing exactly new or special as far as colour or pattern go.
    Keeping - 'Florida blue' sirtalis, concinnus, infernalis, parietalis, radix, marcianus and ocellatus.

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