Miss Marley

[guidofatherof5]

You bring up a couple issues that get discussed often on the forum.

Different species can be housed together as long as the same size, same sex rule is followed.
With the exception being T.elegans.vagrans (Wandering Garter snake) They can be cannibalistic.

I do a 90 day quarantine period. Here's a link to a thread discussing the quarantine issue.
http://www.thamnophis.com/forum/husb...lk-thread.html

[InsanePirateDragon]

Great thread, thanks. Helps a bit that time frames aren't that different from lizards then, thats a bit helpful.

Okay, I wasn't sure which one it was, I couldn't remember. So Wanderings no-no together. And probably no to the Northwesterns as well. They're the smallest garters from I've learned, right?

[guidofatherof5]

As I have learned they(Northwestern) aren't the smallest but they are one of the smallest.

I don't have any problems housing my Northwesterns (T.ordinoides) together.
When housing any garters together you must be careful of feeding accidents. Not intentional cannibalism just aggressive eating.

[InsanePirateDragon]

I know Marley's getting better at the hemostat feeding but still has her moment

I was leaning toward some of the more colorful ones or focus on red morphs, I'm getting quite fond of red ones strangely enough, maybe even a albino redsided.

But no new ones just yet. Until I get my hands on Marley's new house.

[EasternGirl]

Yes...like Steve said, just watch for size differences. You don't want to put a really large snake in with a very small snake...for example, Cee Cee is an eastern and not cannibalistic, but if I put little Hermes in with her, she would undoubtedly think he was a nice fat worm! Of course...I would not put them together because they are male and female and of different species....but you get my point. Seeley is a good deal smaller than Cee Cee, but she could not eat him...she wouldn't mistake him for food if she were hungry and trying to eat everything in sight...he is in with her...they are both easterns and she is most likely gravid due to mating with him.

[Stefan-A]

Different species can be housed together as long as the same size, same sex rule is followed.
With the exception being T.elegans.vagrans (Wandering Garter snake) They can be cannibalistic.

And at least T. scalaris and T. scaliger. Both of them have been found with other snakes in their stomachs, including a young Crotalus sp. in one case.


edit:
Reports of ophiophagy in T. scalaris:

http://www.ugr.es/~vermed/pdfs/notas estrella kirk.pdf

[guidofatherof5]

Different species can be housed together as long as the same size, same sex rule is followed.
With the exception being T.elegans.vagrans (Wandering Garter snake) They can be cannibalistic.

And at least T. scalaris and T. scaliger. Both of them have been found with other snakes in their stomachs, including a young Crotalus sp. in one case.

Thanks Stefan, I wasn't aware of that.

[InsanePirateDragon]

And at least T. scalaris and T. scaliger. Both of them have been found with other snakes in their stomachs, including a young Crotalus sp. in one case.

Great thanks for the info.

[EasternGirl]

Yep...good to know, Stefan...thanks.

[InsanePirateDragon]

Well having Marley around might perhaps be a bit helpful and she might have a job now if it works; provide mouse repellent.

Where I live there's always trouble with mice. The wilderness and creek right behind my house is prime country for field mice to come in and cause all kinds of trouble, participatory with a new mouse hole that they just chewed.

And I still had Marley's shed from last week around and I heard that snake skin deters mice so I carefully fed it through the hole and set up a trap to see if it keeps them away.

And now I have another problem in the future that I'm trying to solve. Finding someone to watch Marley and my other scaly beastie when I go out of town in July. I know people who will have no problem checking on cats and other small fluffy and feathery creatures but when it comes to reptiles...

Yeah... I was lucky enough to be able to convince a friend to dump premeasured mealworms into a bowl but I don't think they can handle feeding Marley who'll probably put on some more size then and hopefully be eating pinkies then.