Teaser!

[EasternGirl]

008.jpgSelena close-up resting on plant.jpg T.s.sirtalis

[BUSHSNAKE]

eastern ribbon and eastern garter

[chris-uk]

eastern ribbon and eastern garter

If Rod has found them in a shop over here they'd probably just be calling them "Eastern garters"
Or that could be too precise for some shops, I expect some would just label them as "snakes".... grrrr.

I can't give a better guess than anyone else had from the pics, but I stand by my statement that I like the head colour of the one in front. The rusty top and whitish jaw line looks good.

[Natrix]

Ok guys, front one is a young Northern Ribbon Snake, Thamnophis sauritus septentrionalis,001690_garter_ribbon3.jpg and the back one is a young Eastern Garter Snake, Thamnophis sirtalis sirtalis,001690_garter_ribbon2.jpg Heres the link Telling Garter Snakes and Ribbon Snakes Apart - gartersnake.info Hope you had fun

[Stefan-A]

Well, there we go.

[ssssnakeluvr]

Stefan has it.... eastern and a ribbon. I have seen easterns with that type of pattern....I have a young one from last year witht he bars on the neck, almost looks like a Chicago garter!

[EasternGirl]

I have only seen pics of them from states far north of here...all of the easterns around here are more of a tan or lighter brown with dark brown checkering patterns under the dorsal stripe, or a spotted pattern...or they can also be a greenish color. Also, most of the literature you find on easterns describes the checkering when discussing IDing them...that and the three stripes, and the 7 supralabials. Another thing that threw me off was the top of the head. There is no pattern on the top of the head in the eastern in that pic...now, maybe I can't see it... my easterns have a pattern on the top of the head. I guess I am going to have to go to a northern state at some point and go herping for easterns.

[Natrix]

"If Rod has found them in a shop over here they'd probably just be calling them "Eastern garters" "

It would have been a bl**dy miracle!