Hydra

[katach]

Yeah. NW are small generally. Fish Bait is just a huge guy.

[EasternGirl]

I think considering how long she went without eating...that is a decent size for her age. She was shedding frequently, so obviously she has been growing. Hermes is the same age and a little over a foot maybe...generally females are larger than males, but size varies according to species and in different snakes...the fact that she went that long without eating and is that size...is great in my opinion. The breathing thing...my vet said the same thing...and I knew that Cee Cee always breathes like that when she is nervous...all you have to do is look at any of my snakes and they start breathing heavy. You have to remember that even vets with snakes...don't necessarily completely understand everything about garters.

[aquamentus_11]

You have to remember that even vets with snakes...don't necessarily completely understand everything about garters.

i was thinking the same thing. i asked this in chris' post re:spinal abnormalities, but how well do liquid supplements work when put in the drinking water? she hasn't had any Ca2+ since she left Tina.

[EasternGirl]

Well..Greg uses them and he seems to like them. I don't really have another choice because my snakes will not eat the food with the powder supplements on them. I would think that the powder supplements might be better because more people have experience using those...and you always have to be careful not to overdose with supplements. Most reptile supplements have dosages on them for reptiles other than garters...so you have to be careful as to how much you give them. So, with the calcimize, I did the math and technically you would be putting 60 drops per 2 liters of water according to the directions. Greg says he uses 20 drops per 2 liters to be safe...and considering how small garters can be...I go by his recommendation. Now...does this actually give the snakes a sufficient level of calcium? I don't know. But I figure it's better than nothing. You can try using repcal...the powder...it has D3 in it too. The way you use it is to lightly dust the food every 3-4 feedings. You could try lightly dusting, and mixing the food around and see if she goes for it. I may try it again with my snakes...since I often feed them chopped up mixtures of food...see if I can mix it in there and fool them. It would probably work with Cee Cee and Hermes...but with Seeley, I just don't know.

[aquamentus_11]

i have the Ca2+ with D3, but i also can't get her to eat, so putting it in her water is my only option.

[EasternGirl]

Did you see the link I put up on Chris' post? I put a link for the calcimize for you.

[aquamentus_11]

oh yeah, thanks. i'll go look for some at the pet store after class (and sneak a peek to see how Scylla is).

[EasternGirl]

Now...Chris said that he has a liquid calcium supplement that has D3 in it...I'm waiting to see if he says you can get it in the U.S., if so, you may want to wait and get that...much better if it has D3 in it to help with absorption of calcium...I'm sure you already know.

You better go back and get that snake...if someone else buys her, it's going to break your heart.

[aquamentus_11]

i'm working on it. slowly. slowly.

i have a uvb bulb so D3 shouldn't be as much of an issue.

[chris-uk]

Just in case you miss it in the other thread, sending liquid supplements in the post to the US isn't possible. Greg checked and apparently it would be siezed and destroyed by your customs-type people. So no buying calcium or vitamin liquid supplements here and posting them over to you.