Milk snakes and garters.

[Bart]

As for Natrix natrix, I see them pretty frequently around here. A few years ago I even found a baby under a stone along with a slow-worm (legless lizard, even more common); today I would probably grab this baby and run like crazy to make a viv. They are protected species, BTW., just as every amphibian or reptile in Poland. Though I would happily keep a male (females are too big for my taste) - they are very common and I can't imagine how taking one male would harm natural enviroment. Oh well, I have criminal thoughts.

Never saw a smooth snake nor adder though, but according to sources, they do occur in my area; smooth snakes eat lizards and, like I said, there's plenty of legless lizards and sand lizards around here. I wouldn't take one though, unless I find out there's a big population around (which I doubt), not to mention problems with food supply.

[EasternGirl]

Isn't it very cold for snakes there in Poland?

[Bart]

Nah, Poland isn't Siberia, you know. I never saw a white bear around anyway. It's December and it's 15 degrees (C) at night. No snow either - hope it will change at christmas though.

The reason there's not much snakes around is because Poland is surrounded by mountains from south (Carpathians; Tatry) south-east (Beskidy) and south-west (Karkonosze). It's hard for animals to cross this natural border and thus adapt to little lower temperature I guess. But sporadically, you can find some species from southern Europe in here - the problem is they fail to establish a fair population because of small number of speciments that can't survive winter, can't find a partner or population is too sparse (which means they can't adapt quick enough).

[Bart]

I can't help myself - the garter is like: hurrrrrrr, me not edible. I'm always suprised how many faces they have... Cute, evil, and so on.

Anyway - I'm wondering, Wayne - do corns occur in your area? I mean, my Nefri looks just like those milk snakes. Anery to be specific? Thanks in advance.

[EasternGirl]

I am hoping that we get snow here for Christmas too! We haven't had any snow in Delaware yet either.

[infernalis]

I can't help myself - the garter is like: hurrrrrrr, me not edible. I'm always suprised how many faces they have... Cute, evil, and so on.

Anyway - I'm wondering, Wayne - do corns occur in your area? I mean, my Nefri looks just like those milk snakes. Anery to be specific? Thanks in advance.

No, Corns only exist in private collections around here. no naturally occurring wild specimens out there.

[Bart]

Hmm, it's a shame. I was thinking that if those milks look like anery corns - corns would also have smiliar colour, because it seems this one is preffered.

[EasternGirl]

We have corns around here...the pretty yelow/orange kind and a black kind. I have never seen any in the wild though. But Joe told me that his friend got his W/C's from Delaware I believe.

[Bart]

So my Izy keeps herself burrowed since my sinaloe milk snake has arrived. This can be caused by little lower temperature though. Anyone has both garter and milk/king snake and observed strange behaviour of one of them?

[kibakiba]

She could be scared, so she's hiding herself.