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Milk snakes and garters.
How often do milk snakes eat garters? Do garters have any strategy to avoid being eaten? Do adult milks eat adult garters? Do they compete for food resources? I like such threads, so let's go.
Kleopatra - never forget. [*]; Lamprophis fuliginosus, male - Amon; Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis, male - Izy; Pantherophis guttatus anerythristic, female, Nefretete; Lampropeltis sinaloae - Vita.
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Re: Milk snakes and garters.
Flight response to Lampropeltis scent.
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Kleopatra - never forget. [*]; Lamprophis fuliginosus, male - Amon; Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis, male - Izy; Pantherophis guttatus anerythristic, female, Nefretete; Lampropeltis sinaloae - Vita.
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Re: Milk snakes and garters.
Rossman et al.
edit: I seem to have the original article in my library.
Weldon, P.J. (1982). Responses to Ophiophagous Snakes by Snakes of the Genus Thamnophis. Copeia, 4, 788-794.
It's mentioned there as a personal observation.
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Re: Milk snakes and garters.
Other presumably defensive tactics exhibited by crotaline snakes to snake predators are escape (Bogert, 1941), biting (Cowles, 1938; Klauber, 1972; Meade, 1940), head-hiding in coils (Carpenter and Gillingham, 1975; Cowles, 1938), "freezing" (R. F. Inger, pers. comm.), and, in some young snakes, body flips (Carpenter and Gillingham, 1975). Marchisin (1980) provided a detailed inventory of the responses of seven crotaline species to ophiophagous snakes.
From that same article. I marked a few key words that might be relevant.
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Re: Milk snakes and garters.
the times i do find wild thamnophis and lampropeltis under the same board or rock, they are not "cuddling" together... they are separate. This might indicate that the garter snake purposely avoids coming too close to the milk snake, or that they both slithered under the rock from separate entrances and did not even realize they are only inches apart!
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Re: Milk snakes and garters.
Very interesting thread...in what states can you find milk snakes?
Marnie
3.3 T.s.sirtalis 1.0 T.marcianus 1.2 T.radix 1.0 T.s.parietalis
Izzy, Seeley, Ziggy, Perseus, Peanut, Snapper, Hermes, Sadie, Osiris, Seraphina, Little Joe
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I think that big eastern girl in my pics "saving grace" was her sheer size compared to the milk.
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What kind of milk is that? Honestly speaking, it looks like my anery corn...
Kleopatra - never forget. [*]; Lamprophis fuliginosus, male - Amon; Thamnophis sirtalis parietalis, male - Izy; Pantherophis guttatus anerythristic, female, Nefretete; Lampropeltis sinaloae - Vita.
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