Concinnus?

[RedSidedSPR]

My thought exactly. Only I'm a little more 50/50. Don't have a problem, but havent seen proof they're safe.

Good question.

[snakeman]

Alan's Garter Snakes - Maintenance of Garter Snakes
I am pretty sure this all started in Europe.

[RedSidedSPR]

"mr infernalis" has been convinced!!

[ConcinusMan]

I have fed hundreds of babies rosy reds.just cause you read it on this forum doesn't make it accurate.i would like to see one documented case where rosey reds caused death.

As far as that goes, I have fed goldfish to garters for years and never had any issues.

[ConcinusMan]

That's cool, 3 stripes are sweet.

Laterally striped concinnus. This gene is dimorphism. There are regulars and laterally striped in the same litter. Regulars that carry the gene give birth to both types, and visa/versa. It's just a genetic quirk that concinnus' have in SW WA, extreme NW Oregon, and the WA coastline. Generally speaking, laterally striped ones tend to occur outside the Willamette Valley and tend to look more like fitchi than concinnus' but there's still ways to tell them apart. Color is different and there are other subtle clues, especially range.

First off, ember and snap as babies. I had two litters that had both types. These two could be litter mates but I actually don't know. The two litters got mixed up.



Adult 3-striper along with big bertha. Both were found at the same location and like I said, both snakes usually have both types of babies in the same litter regardless of which type the parents are.



It's interesting to note however, that both parents must carry this 3 stripe gene (even if they aren't 3 striped themselves) in order to get a mixed litter. I bred big bertha to a snake that doesn't carry this gene and got all regular babies. When she was bred to another snake that does carry the gene, but looked like her, viola, mixed litter. So I guess you could say it's recessive, but unlike albino or anery, it's very common (locally) and entire populations in certain areas carry the gene. You get about equal numbers of both types in a litter.

[RedSidedSPR]

I love concinnus.

[ConcinusMan]

Alan's Garter Snakes - Maintenance of Garter Snakes
I am pretty sure this all started in Europe.

I do not think it's a coincidence that many of these symptoms are the same as mercury poisoning. Even if the fish has fairly low levels, safe enough to eat a couple of meals per month, a diet exclusively of fish would cause it to build up in the snake's system until it becomes toxic.

[Hazeldarc]

Scott F. also feeds his babies Red Rosy's too...

[ConcinusMan]

Yeah, yeah, a lot of people do it although I have no idea why. I have received several babies that were started on rosies and only ate rosies up until I got them. They didn't hesitate to take pinky parts, tilapia, silversides, worms, just about anything so I don't see why they insist on giving them rosies, or any live fish for that matter.

[RedSidedSPR]

Scott F. also feeds his babies Red Rosy's too...

Not sure about that. He says it on his site but...