Toothless Pics

[katach]

Yeah, we live in a 1bd apartment. Usually it's 3 of us, but during the summer it 5. Space is tight.

[RedSidedSPR]

No kidding. I feel ya.


...but surely you can fit one more....... nevermind forget it.

[katach]

I wish we could, but we would need another tank. As is, once the babies go we have to move our sub adult male out of the enclosure from the females. No hybriding and all. Those would be some interesting babies though, puget/ NW. I don't want that to happen though.

[brain]

I wish we had a male I would love to breed both our pugets. They are very cool!

I would just like to find a gravid fem out here on the island. I come across T.s. fitchi and T. ordinoides all the time.

[katach]

We went hiking near belfair in mason county, and found our two big beauties!

[ConcinusMan]

Those would be some interesting babies though, puget/ NW. I don't want that to happen though.

Don't worry, that would never happen. T. ordinoides will not hybridize with T.sirtalis. It's physically impossible. They are just too physically different and genetically distant from one another. The sexual organs are incompatible. You can safely keep them together and they would never crossbreed. The only species that could potentially cross with T. ordinoides, is T. atratus.

[RedSidedSPR]

Wow I didn't know that...

[ConcinusMan]

I would just like to find a gravid fem out here on the island. I come across T.s. fitchi and T. ordinoides all the time.

Are you sure you're only seeing T.s. fitchi ? There are red phase pugets up there you know. Very, very similar to fitchi and they share the same range, especially near the WA border and westward in B.C.

Red phase puget. Vancouver Island:

[RedSidedSPR]

Wow... had no idea! Thats cool... Looks like a fitchi lol.

[ConcinusMan]

And that's where the line between two sirtalis subspecies gets blurred. I don't think it's a coincidence that this happens where both occur. However, it's not the only place where red phase pugets are found. They're also found (with much less red) in parts of WA well outside the range of fitchi.