Post pics of your anery red sideds?

[ConcinusMan]

OK, how about if I keep it a bit simpler...

I was hoping for a good arguement against mine..."mel vs anery"

Not going to happen because there aren't any.

[RedSidedSPR]

I need your Star Trek photo Richard

[BUSHSNAKE]

tutti fruity

[Jeff B]

I was hoping for a good arguement against mine..."mel vs anery" but all i got was sarcasim and "look at the picture" didnt prove anything to me. Scott and jeff your arguments are really poor...monkey see monkey do...your snows show this... It is the albino that is taking away the black pigment(in all cases,anery or mel call it what you want) AND THAT MAKES A BIG DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM BEING CALLED ANERY OR MELANISTIC

Joe, the anerythristic red-sided taking away the reds and yellows away from the albino that has tons of reds and yellows, how do you explain that via a gene that increases melanin production alone?
Based on conventional naming and characterization (now I realize not everything always fits perfectly black and white into a model, but at the very least there is definately anery/axanthic type pigment knock out activity accounting for the red-sided snow)
Anerythristic=lacking red or red production genes knocked out or truncated
Melanistic=increased melanine or overproduction of melanine
Axanthic=lacking yellows or yellows and sometimes reds too production genes knocked out or truncated
An albino with reds or yellows needs another gene that takes that away like say; axanthic or anerythristic (xanthin and erythrin producing genes knocked out) to make a solid pigmentless snake, such as the iowa snow or red-sided snow. Adding a melanistic gene will not take away it simply smears the pattern like in the melanistic albino eastern, where the Schuett albino genes decrease in melanine production dominated the melanistic genes overproduction. The fact that the red-sided albino has tons of red and yellow that is completely stripped away makes for a very likely gene that was added that takes away xanthins and erythins and by best scientific definition that gene would be described as an axanthic or anerythristic gene, not melanistic. As I stated before, the arguement for the name to be axanthic instead of anerythristic would have more validity in my oppinion. The radix anery could have some increased melanine production as well and I won't argue that with you, but the fact that the Iowa snow has the yellow striped away still shows some anery/axanthic knockout or truncation to me. I could also be very easily pursuaded that what we call the anerythristic radix and what we can the axanthic could be flip-flopped because the blueish "axanthics" that I have all had faint yellowish dorsals. I think part of the confusion is the albino genes like the Nebraska and the Schuett albinos that are not complete melanine knock out albino genes, but rather they just truncate the melanine genes and make them almost unfunctional rather than completely wiping out melanine.
To summarize my stand/oppinion on these I have 3 main points below.
1. The anerythristic red-sided might better fit a model for axanthic based on the yellow and reds completely knocked out in combination with albino gene. Also the snake has a slate gray color in places where reds and yellow belong in the wild type. I personally see this gene as the least fitting into the melanistic model based on both looks and gene combination outcomes.
2. The plains anerythistic could go either way in my mind based on the look and the loss of yellow when combined with the iowa albino gene, but I think that these red radix albinos when combined with this gene will show the reds will be depleted as well. I will also say that there appears there could be increased melanin production as well, so this gene may not fit well into any of the three traditional nomenclatures very well but rather somewhere in the middle of a triangle or all three characteristi effects simultaneously occuring.
3. The "axanthic" plains is a whole nother animal in itself and there is still a lot of work to be done to characterize what is going on genotypically let alone phenotypically. I personally have a lot of interest in this gene.

Now I'm not saying I'm right, nobody here really has THE answers. We are all just playing guessing and naming games, essentially we are making hypothesis based on observations and previous accumulated human knowledge. We are not conducting genotyping and gene expression and biochemical pathways for pigment production research here.
I just don't really see the need for name calling and personal off topic critisism here, degrading someone elses character or whatever does not elevate your veiw, oppinion, arguement, ect.

[ConcinusMan]

I need your Star Trek photo Richard

You mean this one? Stefan actually started that one. I can't take credit. I'm just copy-catting him.

[RedSidedSPR]

Yep. That's the one

[infernalis]

Yep. That's the one

Google image double facepalm

[RedSidedSPR]

Ah! Wasn't sure what the heck to search! I was never actually gonna use it, I just expressed it by describing the pic. But it'll come I'm handy...

[ConcinusMan]

This one comes in handy in forums too. (click) Let me google that for you

Oh crap. Off topic again. I'm really liking Jeff's answers about the anery subject though. Sounds like we're getting closer to the truth and that is it's not black and white. It's not just this or that.

[RedSidedSPR]

What the heck was that? you just googled for me... Weird.