Shortheads in captivity?

[ConcinusMan]

Heck, you can't even post an ad on craigslist these days that even mentions using rodents as feeders. People get bent out of shape a flag your ad off. It's ridiculous. Of course, these are the same people that have no problem with eating a chicken, pork, or beef dinner because you know, that's "different". Not the same, you know.

[guidofatherof5]

It's OK with you to feed your snakes worms and pinkies but you don't get upset about that. When it comes to feeding garters to other animals, all the sudden it's not OK. That's illogical.

No it's not.
You are missing the point.
While my garter snakes are in my care they will not be used as food and the fact that I don't like seeing any garter snakes fed off as food seem quite, how do I say "logical"
It's logical to love what you care for and only want the best for them.

[ConcinusMan]

I suppose it's also quite logical coming from someone who never sees them as "ready" when there really is nothing for them to be "ready" for. If they're never quite "ready" then you never have to part with them. It's quite convenient for them to never be "ready", now isn't it?

Now we don't have to continue with this here. You know I'm right. Your last argument was very weak at best. I wasn't talking about garter snakes in your care being used for food. I was talking about garter snakes as food in general. The fact is they are food for many creatures, just as mice and worms are.

It's logical to love what you care for and only want the best for them.

Then I should get all up in arms and offended because you feed worms and pinkies to your snakes. I just decided I love worms and pinkies just as much as I love snakes. Now where does that leave us? That leaves you biased and me impartial. That's where it leaves us.


Now I know what's going to happen. A bunch of you are going to see me as an a-hole. Well, that's only natural. Anyone who makes another person see things about himself that he doesn't like, is going to be seen as an a-hole.

[guidofatherof5]

It's not a right or wrong situation.
If it makes you feel better to be right than go ahead.
I'm finished and will speak of it no more.

With regards to my snakes. When and to whom I release my snakes to is my business.
Since they are in my care, I will decide what is best for them and me. You have no say in it.
To use your own words, "You may not like it, but that's just tough"

I would love to see this thread return to Shorthead garter snakes and I apologize for my part in derailing it.

[RedSidedSPR]

I'm sure Richard can understand that. He wasn't gonna sell Miss Piggy to someone who would feed her to a king snake...

Now back to Shortheads...

[d_virginiana]

Woah, just noticed this.. I think what upset me most reading the original thread was that I was under the impression that someone was harvesting a known endangered species for the hell of it. But now that I know they weren't endangered at the time then I can't really fault him any more than I do someone who hunts or eats beef.
I mean, I don't *enjoy* seeing anything eat animals I like, but I can deal with people taking wild feeders for their pets if it's necessary and done in an environmentally responsible way.

[Starling96]

And i dont see how people (not saying names) say that its so bad to take something from the wild even if its not for a picky feeder but we can just have a wc snake
Im not saying your going to give it a bad home but still

[d_virginiana]

And i dont see how people (not saying names) say that its so bad to take something from the wild even if its not for a picky feeder but we can just have a wc snake
Im not saying your going to give it a bad home but still

I don't think the issue is just one of whether or not it's okay to take an animal from the wild. The problem is when people take large numbers of animals from the wild for commercial purposes, since that can cause some pretty serious ecological issues or when people take an endangered/protected animal for any reason whether they want to feed it to their pet or give it a great home.
Plus, if a snake isn't a picky eater, then there's absolutely no reason to bother with catching wild snakes/frogs/lizards for it. There's a higher risk of your snake getting parasites or encountering pesticides, and running around after wild snakes is way more trouble than buying a pack of nightcrawlers from walmart

[Starling96]

"....and running around after wild snakes is way more trouble than buying a pack of nightcrawlers from walmart " totally agree lol
and yea i dont endorse that either

[d_virginiana]

... Running after wild snakes is a lot more fun than going to walmart though.